Gun Control Playbook

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Having been raised Jewish, I am profoundly disappointed (and actually surprised) by the Jewish community's aggressive stance on gun-control.
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I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
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baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
The only thing people learn from history is that they don't learn from history.

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baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
:iagree:
It is obvious that there is a oddly large number of Jewish people in the anti-gun movement. Though if you look deep enough, you will see that the Jewish community seem to be in full favor of a well armed government :banghead:

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The Count wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
:iagree:
It is obvious that there is a oddly large number of Jewish people in the anti-gun movement. Though if you look deep enough, you will see that the Jewish community seem to be in full favor of a well armed government :banghead:

Because it worked out so well for them in the 1930s and '40s.

Somehow, I don't think the Nazis could have killed six million of them if every time the Gestapo came knocking on the Goldstein's door they were met with a shotgun blast instead of meek compliance.
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bdickens wrote:
The Count wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
:iagree:
It is obvious that there is a oddly large number of Jewish people in the anti-gun movement. Though if you look deep enough, you will see that the Jewish community seem to be in full favor of a well armed government :banghead:

Because it worked out so well for them in the 1930s and '40s.

Somehow, I don't think the Nazis could have killed six million of them if every time the Gestapo came knocking on the Goldstein's door they were met with a shotgun blast instead of meek compliance.
Had two aunts and uncles, and an indeterminate number of cousins gunned down into mass graves outside Riga, Lativia. When our family began to immigrate to the U.S. in 1920, they started saving to gradually bring over every member eventually. Unfortunately, it was the largest of our family units who were left out in the cold because of the cost of bringing them all over together. By the time the resources were marshaled, the U.S. stopped taking Eastern European immigrants.

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bdickens wrote:
The Count wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
:iagree:
It is obvious that there is a oddly large number of Jewish people in the anti-gun movement. Though if you look deep enough, you will see that the Jewish community seem to be in full favor of a well armed government :banghead:

Because it worked out so well for them in the 1930s and '40s.

Somehow, I don't think the Nazis could have killed six million of them if every time the Gestapo came knocking on the Goldstein's door they were met with a shotgun blast instead of meek compliance.
And it does seem that the term "meek" or "passive" is exactly what we are seeing in reference to the American Jewish community. The American Jewish community ideas tend to lean towards any form of violence as being wrong, even in the defense of one's own self and family. This of course is not seen in some of the other Jewish communities of the world. Some of them seem to have learned from history and taken the idea of self preservation seriously.

It is also doesn't help that in general, the American Jewish community doesn't have much of a "gun culture". Therefor making it much easier to side with gun grabbers. Much like how alot of the black community sides with gun grabbers since they associate gun ownership with gang/drug related lifestyle. Its the same old thing.... if they don't feel the need for it..... they don't mind that liberty being taken away.

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The Count wrote:
bdickens wrote:
The Count wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
:iagree:
It is obvious that there is a oddly large number of Jewish people in the anti-gun movement. Though if you look deep enough, you will see that the Jewish community seem to be in full favor of a well armed government :banghead:

Because it worked out so well for them in the 1930s and '40s.

Somehow, I don't think the Nazis could have killed six million of them if every time the Gestapo came knocking on the Goldstein's door they were met with a shotgun blast instead of meek compliance.
And it does seem that the term "meek" or "passive" is exactly what we are seeing in reference to the American Jewish community. The American Jewish community ideas tend to lean towards any form of violence as being wrong, even in the defense of one's own self and family. This of course is not seen in some of the other Jewish communities of the world. Some of them seem to have learned from history and taken the idea of self preservation seriously.

It is also doesn't help that in general, the American Jewish community doesn't have much of a "gun culture". Therefor making it much easier to side with gun grabbers. Much like how alot of the black community sides with gun grabbers since they associate gun ownership with gang/drug related lifestyle. Its the same old thing.... if they don't feel the need for it..... they don't mind that liberty being taken away.
I would say from what I have seen that the exception to this is JPFO, who promote firearms ownership. However, they are probably a small minority of the entire community.

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gthaustex wrote:
The Count wrote:
bdickens wrote:
The Count wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
:iagree:
It is obvious that there is a oddly large number of Jewish people in the anti-gun movement. Though if you look deep enough, you will see that the Jewish community seem to be in full favor of a well armed government :banghead:

Because it worked out so well for them in the 1930s and '40s.

Somehow, I don't think the Nazis could have killed six million of them if every time the Gestapo came knocking on the Goldstein's door they were met with a shotgun blast instead of meek compliance.
And it does seem that the term "meek" or "passive" is exactly what we are seeing in reference to the American Jewish community. The American Jewish community ideas tend to lean towards any form of violence as being wrong, even in the defense of one's own self and family. This of course is not seen in some of the other Jewish communities of the world. Some of them seem to have learned from history and taken the idea of self preservation seriously.

It is also doesn't help that in general, the American Jewish community doesn't have much of a "gun culture". Therefor making it much easier to side with gun grabbers. Much like how alot of the black community sides with gun grabbers since they associate gun ownership with gang/drug related lifestyle. Its the same old thing.... if they don't feel the need for it..... they don't mind that liberty being taken away.
I would say from what I have seen that the exception to this is JPFO, who promote firearms ownership. However, they are probably a small minority of the entire community.
Yet many mainstream 2nd amendment groups see JPFO as extremist and not part of the "crowd".

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bdickens wrote:
The Count wrote:
baldeagle wrote:I'm not at all surprised. The American Jewish community has been extremely liberal for a very long time.
:iagree:
It is obvious that there is a oddly large number of Jewish people in the anti-gun movement. Though if you look deep enough, you will see that the Jewish community seem to be in full favor of a well armed government :banghead:

Because it worked out so well for them in the 1930s and '40s.

Somehow, I don't think the Nazis could have killed six million of them if every time the Gestapo came knocking on the Goldstein's door they were met with a shotgun blast instead of meek compliance.
This man wasn't talking about the Nazis but about Stalin's NKVD, though the sentiment is appropriate:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
NEVER think for a minute that the large numbers of firearms in the hands of private American citizens don't contribute greatly to preserving at least some freedom in the USA. To try the things that the Soviets did, here in the USA against our armed populace, would be a potential suicide mission for many of those who would be tasked to do so.

God Bless the Founding Fathers.

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AndyC wrote:I'm rather surprised as well.
Surprised why?
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As a member of the 33%, I encourage others to go here and read up!

http://www.rjchq.org/

It fascinates me how the other 67% help fill the rank and file of the Liberal movement, when in fact, we are for the most part very conservative.

I'll just step off the soapbox now.
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