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One of the wonderful aspects of America’s experiment with federalism is that it gives us fifty laboratories, where each state can experiment with different ways of solving social problems and see what works. What troubles me about the current headlong rush towards a national universal background check requirement is how little attention we have paid to the thirteen states that have already performed the experiment.

But when nine different states, in many different years, in different regions, show a neutral to perhaps slightly negative impact on murder rates, it suggests that background check laws are either completely or at least largely irrelevant to the problem of murder.

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Bazinga! WIll it be on the news? Not a chance. Will it make a difference? Highly doubtful. Once again the facts are the side of freedom, so the facts will be ignored.

BATF'ers 2012 firearm trace data

Wanna guess what the national average time from Manufacture to recovery at crime scene? (Cause we need background checks to stem the tide of violence.... 11.12 years)

knives, baseball bats, hammers, screw drivers, golf clubs, pipe wrenches ..... are they "traced" when used in a violent crime? Are they traced when "recovered" (I still despise the use of that word in context of a firearm or any other object being taken from another person by law enforcement) from a crime scene, whether a violent or non-violent crime? No doubt those objects would be closely studied as forensic evidence in cases of blunt force trauma, but would they even be considered as additional evidence to be "recovered" in cases of strangulation, poisoning or gun shots, dwi?

Maybe it's time to consider a couple of new fed agencies to protect us as well as the eatbf. We need the "Bureau of Blunt Force Objects and Pointy Things" to enforce background checks for purchase/possession of any and all objects that could be used to cause blunt force trauma or lacerations/punctures, etc. They would also be required to trace any of these objects back to the original manufacturer to possibly incriminate them (in the event they did not stamp/engrave all the required safety warnings on their product).

This stuff is just so convoluted I can't even put my thoughts into coherent words most of the time.

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Interesting, but what's not shown are the number of people that attempt to purchase and are discouraged by the 4473/NICS check before it even starts. Much like the "gun violence" statistics don't include defensive uses of firearms where no shot is fired, the same can be said of people that are stopped from buying a gun _because_ of the process before them.

Yes, it happens. Often if you're a retail gun dealer.

I'm not saying the system is perfect, but I am saying that people that are disqualified from purchasing will often try to circumvent the system, or hope they aren't caught. It's cheaper than getting something on the black market, and there's more selection.

Jumping Frog wrote:BATF'ers 2012 firearm trace data

Wanna guess what the national average time from Manufacture to recovery at crime scene? (Cause we need background checks to stem the tide of violence.... 11.12 years)

I wonder if the firearms Eric Holder sold to Mexican drug gangs are in these stats.....