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Does this work both ways?

The New York State Senate today passed a bill that creates the crime of aggravated harassment of a police or peace officer. The bill (S.2402), sponsored by Senator Joe Griffo (R-C-I, Rome) would make it a felony to harass, annoy, or threaten a police officer while on duty.

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/s ... icer-crime" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Emphasis is mine.

I want to see how they define "annoy". I know a bunch of 1%ers that did not annoy the police but the Tea Party did. This cannot be a good thing to have something so vague.

Maybe unconstitutional under 1stA, as the police can claim anything and it would be worth zit.

RX8er wrote:Does this work both ways?

The New York State Senate today passed a bill that creates the crime of aggravated harassment of a police or peace officer. The bill (S.2402), sponsored by Senator Joe Griffo (R-C-I, Rome) would make it a felony to harass, annoy, or threaten a police officer while on duty.

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/s ... icer-crime" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Emphasis is mine.

I want to see how they define "annoy". I know a bunch of 1%ers that did not annoy the police but the Tea Party did. This cannot be a good thing to have something so vague.

That's scary.

It seems like at some point we should start suing, for violating our rights, the legislators who author, sponsor, or vote for such blantently unconstitutional laws. And I mean them specifically and personally, not some vague notion of the state where the taxpayers would end up footing the bill in the unlikely event that such a suit would be won. Yes, I know they aren't the ones personally violating rights, but they're still responsible, in the same way that someone who hires a hitman is responsible.

Annoying - I shouldn't say this, but I hope my mother in law doesn't visit NYC anytime soon if this passes.

Dave2 wrote:That's scary.

It seems like at some point we should start suing, for violating our rights, the legislators who author, sponsor, or vote for such blantently unconstitutional laws. And I mean them specifically and personally, not some vague notion of the state where the taxpayers would end up footing the bill in the unlikely event that such a suit would be won. Yes, I know they aren't the ones personally violating rights, but they're still responsible, in the same way that someone who hires a hitman is responsible.

Suing?!?!? I've got a better idea.... It involves a tall tree and some rope. This is beyond ridiculous!

Two things.

1. No group should have a special set of rights over that of other citizens. As such, this disgusts me. By the way, aren't LEOs servants of the citizens, and if so, why are the citizens treated like subjects?

2. I cannot imagine this wouldn't be struck down as unconstitutional. I will guess the legislature passed this to simply appear like they are tough on crime/support law enforcement/suck up to the police union for reelection support.

Under Cuomo and the rest of his democrats, the state appears to be going full fascist as fast as it can.

Harassment of a public servant in tx is a felony 3.

Example would be spitting on a police officer.

gigag04 wrote:Harassment of a public servant in tx is a felony 3.

Example would be spitting on a police officer.

Spitting can carry many a nasty germs so that I can understand being a crime, but not a felony unless maybe disease is present. How do they define harassment?

They say that best course of action with a bad law is to vigorously enforce it. I say "go for it."

If you peel back the onion in places like NYC and Chicago, a significant part of problem seems to be that those responsible for felonies don't get prosecuted for them. The jails are already full and often overcrowded so the courts allow new offenders to plea bargain down to probation and they are put back onto the street.

I think the suspects who would violate the "annoy the police" parameters like spitting on them will be part of the already burgeoning group without a basic respect for the rule of law. Any kind of mass enforcement is going to further crowd the jails and further the public outcry against the PD and the politicians who are abusing it.

Am I worried that this law will increase police abuse? Not in the least. Cuomo, Bloomberg and their minions already have taken government overreach through the PD to unforgivable levels. This law isn't going to make that worse than it already is.

The good people of NY need to suffer under the politicians that they continue to elect as much as possible. It is unfortunate that a minority of New Yorkers feel more like Texans do and they will have to suffer, too. The more that this kind of stuff goes on, the quicker that the Cuomo regime will fall of its own weight just like the government of Detroit did. It is the same substance, just in different degrees of corruption.

What chasfm11 said....with one exception..... the "good people" of NY elected these morons. They're not "good" people. They're stupid people, and stupidity should be painful. That's the only way that stupid people ever grow out of their stupidity. If there are no consequences for their stupidity, they never learn. It's the human condition.

chasfm11 wrote:They say that best course of action with a bad law is to vigorously enforce it. I say "go for it."

If you peel back the onion in places like NYC and Chicago, a significant part of problem seems to be that those responsible for felonies don't get prosecuted for them. The jails are already full and often overcrowded so the courts allow new offenders to plea bargain down to probation and they are put back onto the street.

I think the suspects who would violate the "annoy the police" parameters like spitting on them will be part of the already burgeoning group without a basic respect for the rule of law. Any kind of mass enforcement is going to further crowd the jails and further the public outcry against the PD and the politicians who are abusing it.

Am I worried that this law will increase police abuse? Not in the least. Cuomo, Bloomberg and their minions already have taken government overreach through the PD to unforgivable levels. This law isn't going to make that worse than it already is.

The good people of NY need to suffer under the politicians that they continue to elect as much as possible. It is unfortunate that a minority of New Yorkers feel more like Texans do and they will have to suffer, too. The more that this kind of stuff goes on, the quicker that the Cuomo regime will fall of its own weight just like the government of Detroit did. It is the same substance, just in different degrees of corruption.

I worry specifically about the powers-that-be not applying this exclusively to those without respect for the law.

Purplehood wrote:I worry specifically about the powers-that-be not applying this exclusively to those without respect for the law.

Why would anyone respect a law like that? What they are doing is making us all outlaws. When we are all outlaws, there is no law and it's every man for himself.

Purplehood wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:They say that best course of action with a bad law is to vigorously enforce it. I say "go for it."

If you peel back the onion in places like NYC and Chicago, a significant part of problem seems to be that those responsible for felonies don't get prosecuted for them. The jails are already full and often overcrowded so the courts allow new offenders to plea bargain down to probation and they are put back onto the street.

I think the suspects who would violate the "annoy the police" parameters like spitting on them will be part of the already burgeoning group without a basic respect for the rule of law. Any kind of mass enforcement is going to further crowd the jails and further the public outcry against the PD and the politicians who are abusing it.

Am I worried that this law will increase police abuse? Not in the least. Cuomo, Bloomberg and their minions already have taken government overreach through the PD to unforgivable levels. This law isn't going to make that worse than it already is.

The good people of NY need to suffer under the politicians that they continue to elect as much as possible. It is unfortunate that a minority of New Yorkers feel more like Texans do and they will have to suffer, too. The more that this kind of stuff goes on, the quicker that the Cuomo regime will fall of its own weight just like the government of Detroit did. It is the same substance, just in different degrees of corruption.

I worry specifically about the powers-that-be not applying this exclusively to those without respect for the law.

They already do that for existing laws. Have you seen the incidents where otherwise innocent citizens are prosecuted for gun law violations? Then you read about all of the murders in Queens and all of the stop and frisk activity that is going on. There is no way that everyone of them is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Selective enforcement is a political tool. I was reading another thread by a MD Sheriff who is treating the recently passed and Draconian MD gun law as selectively enforceable. Most selective enforcement, however, is done specifically to further political goals as it is with immigration.

The whole idea of laws in places like NY and NJ is to tame the populace to the political will. If the police in Newark, NJ enforced the existing gun laws on everyone who violates them for just one week, the jail population would mushroom. Like Chicago, the Newark PD turns a blind eye to the worst parts of that city and allows those with illegal guns to simply carry on. We lived in NJ, outside of Newark and traveled in NY regularly. I can tell you from that experience that there is no difference between the two other than NJ gun laws were even more Draconian than NY's used to be. A suburbanite of Newark has a lot better chance of being prosecuted for a gun violation than a gang banger in Newark. Rural NY, in places like the Finger Lakes, is much closer to Texas than Buffalo, Albany or NYC.

The Annoyed Man wrote:What chasfm11 said....with one exception..... the "good people" of NY elected these morons. They're not "good" people. They're stupid people, and stupidity should be painful. That's the only way that stupid people ever grow out of their stupidity. If there are no consequences for their stupidity, they never learn. It's the human condition.

That's like saying you deserve all the crap the current federal government is throwing at you because YOU elected them. There are still plenty of good people in New York that didn't vote for the pieces of crap currently in power and they don't deserve their current leadership anymore than we deserve Obama's leadership (or lack thereof). Same problem in Illinois where there are a lot of good people subjected to criminals from Chicago who they didn't vote for. I suspect the same problem exists in CA.

Don't blame a whole state/country because 51% of the people in that state/country are stupid. We need to find ways to help the oppressed.