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two Muslim men run over a soldier walking toward his barracks then attack him with meat cleavers. London is calling this a terrorist attack

The murder appeared to have been planned to ensure maximum publicity, with the killers urging witnesses to take their picture “as if they wanted to be on TV”. One witness, identified only as James, said he and his partner watched in horror as they realised what they were seeing. He shouted at the men to stop, only for one of them to pull out a gun and threaten to shoot him.

How on earth could this happen in the UK? I thought they had strict knife and gun control.

WRT police response time, some reports say five minutes, some say twenty. I would not place much stock in time estimates from witnesses who were scared witless.

In any case it was too late for the British soldier, RIP.


Several reports said the attackers shouted "Allahu Akbar." Another case of work place violence then, I guess.

Have any of you seen the video of one of the guys that did this? He's talking to the camera while he has blood all over both hands and he's carrying the meat clever and other knife and walking around back and forth and you can see the body in the background in the street. My wife asked why isn't anyone trying to stop him or anything. I tried to tell her that many of the police don't have weapons over there and that none of the citizens do. No one is going to go after that guy after doing that while he's still carrying those knives without a gun.

This is just terrible!

C-dub wrote:Have any of you seen the video of one of the guys that did this? He's talking to the camera while he has blood all over both hands and he's carrying the meat clever and other knife and walking around back and forth and you can see the body in the background in the street. My wife asked why isn't anyone trying to stop him or anything. I tried to tell her that many of the police don't have weapons over there and that none of the citizens do. No one is going to go after that guy after doing that while he's still carrying those knives without a gun.

This is just terrible!

Yep, you summed it up to your wife pretty accurately. Tyranny comes in many forms, and our Founding Fathers were very intelligent men who did their best to set things up as well as they could when they wrote our Constitution. I have all respect for them, and am so glad they put the right to keep and bear arms in there, so that it would be plainly visible, and not some "understood right" that could then be easily waved.

It was an act of terrorism. Just look at the video.

Took some gonads to stand that close to the guy.

At least they still classify this as terrorism in the UK.

Over here, just a misunderstand islamic "brother". Terrorist is such a harsh word.

The guy is covered with blood, looking at the camera, and swears to Allah this will keep happening until "You leave us alone!" Yeah, I'd say he was a terrorist.

C-dub wrote:Have any of you seen the video of one of the guys that did this? He's talking to the camera while he has blood all over both hands and he's carrying the meat clever and other knife and walking around back and forth and you can see the body in the background in the street. My wife asked why isn't anyone trying to stop him or anything. I tried to tell her that many of the police don't have weapons over there and that none of the citizens do. No one is going to go after that guy after doing that while he's still carrying those knives without a gun.

This is just terrible!

Sometimes the fantasy land people live in vaporizes and true reality materializes.

Evil knows no bounds.

Anygunanywhere

The Met police confirmed the first officers arrived in 9 minutes, the armed officers arrived in 14 minutes.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rev210 wrote:The Met police confirmed the first officers arrived in 9 minutes, the armed officers arrived in 14 minutes.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's the UK motto: when seconds count, and armed criminals are on a rampage, armed police are only 14 minutes away.

This purely a savage criminal murder in a daylight. This serve no political issue or otherwise.

Postby Beiruty » Thu May 23, 2013 10:50 am
This purely a savage criminal murder in a daylight. This serve no political issue or otherwise.

I'm afraid I don't understand your point.

When Clint Eastwood, in a Dirty Harry movie referred to a naked man running down the street with a meat cleaver chasing a woman, yeah, I would say that incident, if it were real, would serve no political issue or otherwise... Unless of course, feminists got a hold of it and used it to ban naked men, or meat cleavers... I'm surprised cars haven't been banned and for that matter, breathing hasn't been banned by environmentalists who opposed humans who pour out CO2 into our environment... Anyway...

As for political issues, a certain 'peaceful religion' has greatly politicized it's 'beliefs' all over the world, even in this country.

So the politics of this particular 'peaceful religion', are very well known.

The "alleged" (and self-confessed) murderer took pains to not only grant at least one video interview to a bystander, he made it very clear he did it on behalf of muslims. He even suggested the British act to remove their own government, which of course, would be a POLITICAL statement:

"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

"You people will never be safe. Remove your governments — they don't care about you."

That was a political statement by an avowed muslim who murdered an innocent man on behalf of his religion.

This person in Woolwich England may not have planned it in the same way that Bin Laden planned the 9/11 attacks, but it's quite clear his actions closely mirror those of Major Nidal Hassan who got up from the table he was seated at, got up, and yelled " "Allahu Akbar!" and began his murderous rampage until he killed 13 and injured another 30.

The irony of the Ft. Hood shooting is, as I understand it, ARMY military personnel on their own base, are not allowed to be armed.

At any rate, it is quite clear to any objective observer that both incidents are religiously motivated.

I don't hear about the numerous incidents of Catholic, Protest, Christian, or Jewish homicide bombers or shooters who go on a rampage against innocent men, women and children.

But we all know about a certain 'peaceful religion' which tends to breed homicidal maniacs in increasing numbers who think they're doing their religion and 'brothers', a great service when they murder innocents any way they can.

It's become painfully obvious that the Boston Marathon bombers were also motivated by their religion, Islam.

The following website @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Is ... st_attacks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; makes for interesting reading.

The first two entries are as follows:

Germany"Munich Massacre" in Germany by Islamic "Black September" militants, 1972.

Saudi ArabiaGrand Mosque Seizure in Saudi Arabia, 1979. Approx. 250 Dead, 600 wounded.

I also seem to recall the incident initiated by ISLAMIC militants in Breslin, Russia (From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_sch ... age_crisis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) where over 380 people, including 186 children were brutally murdered, many shot in the head or the back as they tried to escape, others just shot in the head execution style:

"The Beslan school hostage crisis (also referred to as the Beslan school siege or Beslan massacre)[2][3][4] of early September 2004 lasted three days and involved the capture of over 1,100 people as hostages (including 777 children),[5] ending with the death of over 380 people. The crisis began when a group of armed Islamic separatist militants,"

There seems to be a pattern here... Yet some actually would say America IS NOT at war with Islam. Uh, why not? And others (sadly, including Republicans) would say that it is "Radical Islam" that is to blame for 'radicalizing' those who commit these atrocities.

Yeah, and it was ONLY 'radical islamists' all over the world who had street parties on September 11th, 2001 when our fellow Americans were murdered.

So back on point, I don't understand yours.

Respectfully...

In the words of our government, this was merely another example of "workplace violence."

In the words of Jay Carney, "That was a long time ago..."

Beiruty wrote:This purely a savage criminal murder in a daylight. This serve no political issue or otherwise.

I think the person who committed the atrocity disagrees with you:

TexasGal wrote:The guy is covered with blood, looking at the camera, and swears to Allah this will keep happening until "You leave us alone!" Yeah, I'd say he was a terrorist.

Good quote, "A country that orders its military personnel to not wear their uniforms because it’s too dangerous....in their homeland...is lost. "

These are soldiers in a war. Typically, in a war, soldiers are hurt, and some of them die. England is in the process of losing it's sovereignty to a foreign invader. The Brits have elected their government, and their elected government has chosen to surrender. Simply, their choice.

What I meant is this murder would never accomplish what the criminal killer stated. He is not only a terrorist but a cold blood killer. Simply, this murder would have 0 effect on UK foreign policy or its politics.