Is the N.R.A. Un-American?

[VMI77]

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... ore-144157

The left is re-defining those who want our Founder's Constitutional Republic as "unAmerican."

The more militant members of the N.R.A. and most of its leaders may be un-American.

By “militant” I don’t mean those who wish to protect recreational shooting and hunting; nor do I mean those who, like Justice Antonin Scalia, believe that there is a constitutional right to defend one’s home and family with firearms. These are respectable positions (although I am deeply unpersuaded by the second). I mean those who read the Second Amendment as proclaiming the right of citizens to resist the tyranny of their own government, that is, of the government that issued and ratified the Constitution in the first place.

How dare we think Americans have a right to resist tyranny. Oh yeah, and our current government is not the government that issued and ratified the Constitution in the first place. That government wouldn't even be able to recognize this one as American.

[The Annoyed Man]

It's a New Yorker, writing a "2nd Amendment is about hunting" article in the New York Times blog. I can predict some other things about him:

1. Betcha he's a democrat.
2. Betcha he thinks Bloomberg is a good mayor and MAIG is a good thing.
3. Betcha he supports Obamacare.
4. Betcha he voted for Obama.
5. Betcha he thinks 1st Amendment only contains the establishment clause, and that the free exercise clause has been deprecated out of it.
6. Betcha he thinks that government solves more problems than it creates, and therefore we need more of it.
7. Betcha that to him, more government is NOT tyranny.
8. Betcha he naturally resents the idea of people who would tell him to go jump off a cliff for suggesting to them that they shouldn't worry about his desire to double or triple the burdens of government.

Who cares what he thinks? Gun owners grow his food. Gun owners built his infrastructure. Gun owners defend his liberties in uniform. Gun owners patrol his streets and keep him safe. Worms like him are hothouse orchids who cannot live and thrive in the wild without gun owners.

Who cares what he thinks? People like him are the ones who are going to push us to the point of having to resist tyranny or surrender liberty. I don't like it, but I firmly believe that this is where we are headed, and that the situation is nearly beyond redemption. When it comes, people like him are going to die off, and the world will be better without him.

[jimlongley]

The point he is missing is that the government isn't what it was when Americans established it and the Constitution.

[dinolord]

betcha he and the author of this are friends...

[SQLGeek]

I am really hoping that the keyboard that wrote that last letter was covered in sarcasm when the author was finished with it.

[jmra]

betcha he and the author of this are friends...

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You do know that this is satire and was probably written by a republican.

[cbunt1]

The point he is missing is that the government isn't what it was when Americans established it and the Constitution.

Ironic, isn't it. In fact, I would submit that the government is exactly what we declared our independence from in 1776.

Ironic also, is that our history books teach that it was a general revolution and everyone was involved. As best I can tell, that wasn't the case...a relatively small number initially. In fact, one might suggest that the difference between a "radical group uprising" and a "revolution" is defined only by success...

[dinolord]

betcha he and the author of this are friends...

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You do know that this is satire and was probably written by a republican.

I'm sure it probably is.

The scary fact is that there are these people out there.

[cbunt1]

betcha he and the author of this are friends...

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You do know that this is satire and was probably written by a republican.

I'm sure it probably is.

The scary fact is that there are these people out there.

Exactly. The editorial (if it actually exists) is clearly satire, BUT there are plenty of folks who buy into the base theory....it is indeed scary when you stop and process it.

[The Annoyed Man]

I call that "the Rosanna-Danna letter." ..........Nevermind!

[Hoosier Daddy]

By “militant” I don’t mean those who wish to protect recreational shooting and hunting; nor do I mean those who, like Justice Antonin Scalia, believe that there is a constitutional right to defend one’s home and family with firearms. These are respectable positions (although I am deeply unpersuaded by the second). I mean those who read the Second Amendment as proclaiming the right of citizens to resist the tyranny of their own government, that is, of the government that issued and ratified the Constitution in the first place.

I think I see where he ran off the rails. Most of the people he calls militants are not opposed to the government that issued and ratified the Constitution in the first place. On the contrary, they want to depose the domestic enemies of the Constitution and restore a government that loves, honors and obeys the Constitution.

[mojo84]

The NRA isn't un-American but the IRS darn sure is. So is the administration.

[jmra]

The NRA isn't un-American but the IRS darn sure is. So is the administration.

[anygunanywhere]

Whether or not I am defined as un-American depends on which definition of America you are referring to.

The libtard in the article lives in a different America and has a totally different view of what America is and needs to be than my view and vision. Our views are polar opposites. He is an un-American in my view. I am an un-American in his.

Which one is the correct view?

Only time will tell, and those of his ilk are entirely in control of when the process to determine the final view of America begins.

Anygunanywhere

[K.Mooneyham]

Most of the comments on that article, well, they are absolutely either insane, deluded, or downright evil. Its always the same tired spew: the "militia" is the National Guard, the Founding Fathers were criminals who should have just paid up to the Crown, no one can fight the overwhelming might of the US military, no one "needs" a gun except law enforcement, and on and on. They refuse to look at what was written by the Founding Fathers, they refuse to look at history in general, and they refuse to look at facts. The mindsets between those people and the majority of us who post on this forum are so far apart that I do not believe that gap can ever be bridged, not that it should be bridged.