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Seems that the Gun Owners of America is working very hard for us.

I may not agree with everything the Gun Owners of America does, much like I don't always agree with everything the NRA does but I am a member of both, also am a member of the the Second Amendment foundation, Texas Firearms Coalition and have signed on with Wild Bill for America's Tea Teams. teateams.com Anything I can do to help my 2A rights.

I like the Pratt's no compromise approach. In my view, the Pratt's show major stones where the NRA is weak -- and that includes reaching out to the alternative media, not just the MSM. Being that the anti-2A will lie and stop at nothing, we need a brick wall like GOA to fully protect our precious 2A rights.

They're doing good work and are worth supporting.

I joined today.

I just don't believe that you should be knocking someone else down in an attempt to build yourself up. If GOA is so good--then they need to be telling us what is so good about them---not what is so bad about NRA

JustMe wrote:I just don't believe that you should be knocking someone else down in an attempt to build yourself up. If GOA is so good--then they need to be telling us what is so good about them---not what is so bad about NRA

That is my issue.

I believe there is a place in the 2nd Amendment rights movement for an organization that comes across as fire-breathing, radical, take-no-prisoners, and accept-no-compromises. In contrast, it makes the NRA look like the responsible adult in the room, and the NRA can always take the approach with a politician, "you can be reasonable and deal with me, or you can have the GOA after your . . . ".

However, the cynic in me also notes that the GOA has raised AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY over the years by demonizing the NRA instead of demonizing the anti-gun forces of Satan. That irritates me. We need to stay focused on the common enemy, not raising money by tearing down other pro-2A organizations.

JustMe wrote:I just don't believe that you should be knocking someone else down in an attempt to build yourself up. If GOA is so good--then they need to be telling us what is so good about them---not what is so bad about NRA

I understand, sounds like the entire GOP party

Jumping Frog wrote:However, the cynic in me also notes that the GOA has raised AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY over the years by demonizing the NRA instead of demonizing the anti-gun forces of Satan. That irritates me. We need to stay focused on the common enemy, not raising money by tearing down other pro-2A organizations.

ALCSTUDIOS wrote: I understand, sounds like the entire GOP party

And like the Dems in '68, '72, '80, '84, ,88, '00, and '04. Oh yeah, and ,'94 and '10 too.

Jumping Frog wrote:

JustMe wrote:I just don't believe that you should be knocking someone else down in an attempt to build yourself up. If GOA is so good--then they need to be telling us what is so good about them---not what is so bad about NRA

That is my issue.

I believe there is a place in the 2nd Amendment rights movement for an organization that comes across as fire-breathing, radical, take-no-prisoners, and accept-no-compromises. In contrast, it makes the NRA look like the responsible adult in the room, and the NRA can always take the approach with a politician, "you can be reasonable and deal with me, or you can have the GOA after your . . . ".

However, the cynic in me also notes that the GOA has raised AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY over the years by demonizing the NRA instead of demonizing the anti-gun forces of Satan. That irritates me. We need to stay focused on the common enemy, not raising money by tearing down other pro-2A organizations.

I agree 100%

Jumping Frog wrote:

JustMe wrote:I just don't believe that you should be knocking someone else down in an attempt to build yourself up. If GOA is so good--then they need to be telling us what is so good about them---not what is so bad about NRA

That is my issue.

I believe there is a place in the 2nd Amendment rights movement for an organization that comes across as fire-breathing, radical, take-no-prisoners, and accept-no-compromises. In contrast, it makes the NRA look like the responsible adult in the room, and the NRA can always take the approach with a politician, "you can be reasonable and deal with me, or you can have the GOA after your . . . ".

However, the cynic in me also notes that the GOA has raised AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY over the years by demonizing the NRA instead of demonizing the anti-gun forces of Satan. That irritates me. We need to stay focused on the common enemy, not raising money by tearing down other pro-2A organizations.

Let's be frank. The NRA has many decades of history and millions of members. It is the bastion against attacks on our Second Amendment rights.

GOA should stand down, IMHO. Its efforts are divisive and disingenuous.

We need be singularly united behind a national organization.

That organization is the NRA.

I am a proud member of both. Each seem to have slightly differing goals. The NRA wants to make gun ownership acceptable to the masses, and focuses on safety and responsibility. They are great... for that purpose. GOA focuses much more on the liberty side of the equation; hence the "no compromise gun lobby" schtick. For that reason I support them fully. GOA will always fight against ALL infringements on our 2A rights. The NRA has demonstrated that they are willing to accept 'reasonable' infringements in order to protect other aspects of gun ownership. A perfect example is how the NRA lobbied for background checks in the 1990's (to otherwise prevent wider bans and restrictions). Personally, I am more on the side of the GOA, but I cannot dismiss the fact that it could be much worse on us had only the GOA (instead of the NRA) had a platform back then.

Jumping Frog wrote:

JustMe wrote:I just don't believe that you should be knocking someone else down in an attempt to build yourself up. If GOA is so good--then they need to be telling us what is so good about them---not what is so bad about NRA

That is my issue.

I believe there is a place in the 2nd Amendment rights movement for an organization that comes across as fire-breathing, radical, take-no-prisoners, and accept-no-compromises. In contrast, it makes the NRA look like the responsible adult in the room, and the NRA can always take the approach with a politician, "you can be reasonable and deal with me, or you can have the GOA after your . . . ".

However, the cynic in me also notes that the GOA has raised AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY over the years by demonizing the NRA instead of demonizing the anti-gun forces of Satan. That irritates me. We need to stay focused on the common enemy, not raising money by tearing down other pro-2A organizations.

I understand the pluses and minuses of the GOA, and I have not agreed with some of their activity in the past when they have criticized the NRA.

My view at this point is that we're in the fight of our lives, and any organization that is not a front for the other side and is willing to stand with us is worthy of support.

The NRA is and always will be the primary bastion of firearms liberty. As such, it gets the vast majority of my financial support. However, a single organization standing in opposition to the marxist crowd is too easy to characterize and demonize in the media to the point that its credibility is seriously damaged with folks who could be swayed either way. Multiple organizations are more difficult to deal with, can take other strategic tacks, and add depth and volume to our voice.

Skiprr wrote: GOA should stand down, IMHO. Its efforts are divisive and disingenuous.

We need be singularly united behind a national organization.

That organization is the NRA.

I disagree. There needs to be that voice that holds their feet to the fire. If not, they'll turn all 'Progressive' on us. Heck, looking at this it almost sounds like the NRA is waffling on the whole "universal background checks" issue.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/dav ... kground-ch

"From my view, if you go to a gun show and you buy a firearm from a licensed dealer and you have the background check you also go out to somebody's vehicle and you get a firearm there and you purchase it and you don't have the check, there's some inconsistency there," Hutchinson explained. "And certainly from my personal standpoint, that's a fair debate. And again, Americans would like to see that."

If no one holds them to account, they'll go off the rails and pursue the prog path to money and power.

Let's be frank. The NRA has many decades of history and millions of members. It is the bastion against attacks on our Second Amendment rights.

GOA should stand down, IMHO. Its efforts are divisive and disingenuous.

We need be singularly united behind a national organization.

That organization is the NRA.[/quote]
Are you trying to tell us we do not need freedom of choice? Sounds like a Leftist or on the NRA payroll