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Thanks RINO Graham. Thanks RINO Flake. Thanks socialists Begich and Prior.

Thanks for the stab in the back, NRA.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... a-backing/

Washington (CNN) – New legislation introduced Wednesday aims to close one loophole in the process of purchasing a gun.

The bill from Sen. Lindsey Graham and three other bipartisan lawmakers expands the scope of mental health information submitted to the background check system used by gun sellers. It has the backing of the National Rifle Association, and background check-related legislation has been considered the most likely of the various gun violence proposals to survive the legislative process.

Sometimes I wonder just who is supporting who.

Can someone explain why the NRA is supporting this legislation?

I am physically ill.

Anygunanywhere

I don't love it. I think there is tremendous potential for abuse in this situation. However, I am surprised that this was not already part of the background checks that exist today. Additionally I don't see ‎that this is going to stop a determined killer. As we have seen time and time again if they can't get them legally they will steal them, or get them from the black market.

Please, have you read the article? I see nothing wrong in the new law. The purchaser has to declare the same info on the Federal form that you leave with FLL dealer. Now, that info is in the background check. What is wrong with that? An incompetent mentally ill person would lie on the form, he is crazy and insane, no? You can't blame him, do you? Now the NICS would deny him access to firearms.

Good bill, IMHO.

I am sure I will catch flak for this but ... I have always been a supporter of closing the FTF sale "loophole" Too many dishonest buyers and sellers out there. It wont stop all gun sales to criminals, but it will stop quite a few.

Besides, this might be enough to quell the cry for more gun laws.

Allow me.

1. Federal government defines the system to track those defined individuals.

2. The feds appoint the judges.

3. The feds define the mental illness.

4. The Feds run the background check system that approves the purchase of firearms by all citizens.

Wow. What was I thinking? There is no possibility here that the fed will use this arbitrarily. We can simply ignore all of the discussions on the fed ignoring constitutional rights to kill US citizens without warrant, without due process.

Good bill? With this administration? The term is oxymoronic. This government wouldn't know good legislation if it kissed them on the forehead.

NOTHING that comes out of dc is worthy of a bucket of warm spit (Thanks TAM!)

You can believe all you want about how beneficial this crap is, Beiruty. Don't think ill of me if I decide not to consider your opinion. The odds are grossly in my favor that I am right.

Anygunanywhere

killerfly128 wrote:I am sure I will catch flak for this but ... I have always been a supporter of closing the FTF sale "loophole" Too many dishonest buyers and sellers out there. It wont stop all gun sales to criminals, but it will stop quite a few.

Besides, this might be enough to quell the cry for more gun laws.

Now that is funny.

Not.

You really believe this statement of yours?

Anygunanywhere

I don't see a big problem with this either. The concern I do have is that if the person is found not guilty by reason of insanity. What usually happens then? They go to a hospital for treatment and then released when they are deemed to no longer be a threat, right? Is their right to own a firearm restored at that point? The article doesn't say.

I posted another discussion thread about an additional organization, the N.S.S.F., and its CEO, are also in favor of universal background checks, and other restrictive sales provisions, and they claim to be a pro-gun organization???

Going to go see if anyone has said anything else on that thread...

I also feel that there is this knife poised over my back ready to strike these days...

anygunanywhere wrote:

killerfly128 wrote:I am sure I will catch flak for this but ... I have always been a supporter of closing the FTF sale "loophole" Too many dishonest buyers and sellers out there. It wont stop all gun sales to criminals, but it will stop quite a few.

Besides, this might be enough to quell the cry for more gun laws.

Now that is funny.

Not.

You really believe this statement of yours?

Anygunanywhere

Wouldn't have typed it if i didn't. This gives the POTUS a feather to stick in his cap and say "look we did something"

anygunanywhere wrote:Allow me.

1. Federal government defines the system to track those defined individuals.

2. The feds appoint the judges.

3. The feds define the mental illness.

4. The Feds run the background check system that approves the purchase of firearms by all citizens.

Wow. What was I thinking? There is no possibility here that the fed will use this arbitrarily. We can simply ignore all of the discussions on the fed ignoring constitutional rights to kill US citizens without warrant, without due process.

Good bill? With this administration? The term is oxymoronic. This government wouldn't know good legislation if it kissed them on the forehead.

NOTHING that comes out of dc is worthy of a bucket of warm spit (Thanks TAM!)

You can believe all you want about how beneficial this crap is, Beiruty. Don't think ill of me if I decide not to consider your opinion. The odds are grossly in my favor that I am right.

Anygunanywhere

In this instance I am with you! It would be fine if the rest of the system was not so stinking corrupt.

As I recall the soviets used "mental illness" to detain/disappear many of their opponents. I don't trust these wretches, not one inch. This is how it could go down. They grab a 2nd amendment blogger on some trumped up charge, find them mentally incapable of standing trial, and like magic all his guns are taken away and he is never permitted to own them again. All done without that person having any recourse......not good.

killerfly128 wrote:
Wouldn't have typed it if i didn't. This gives the POTUS a feather to stick in his cap and say "look we did something"

Ever read the children's book "if you give a mouse a cookie". Dems are like that. Give them an inch they will take a mile.

killerfly128 wrote:
Wouldn't have typed it if i didn't. This gives the POTUS a feather to stick in his cap and say "look we did something"

Obviously your view of the current fed.gov, their actions, history, and the state of the world is far removed from mine.

Did your belief system also tell you to believe barry when he said he was not going to take away our guns?

How are the unicorns and rainbows looking today?

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:Thanks RINO Graham. Thanks RINO Flake. Thanks socialists Begich and Prior.

Thanks for the stab in the back, NRA.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... a-backing/

Washington (CNN) – New legislation introduced Wednesday aims to close one loophole in the process of purchasing a gun.

The bill from Sen. Lindsey Graham and three other bipartisan lawmakers expands the scope of mental health information submitted to the background check system used by gun sellers. It has the backing of the National Rifle Association, and background check-related legislation has been considered the most likely of the various gun violence proposals to survive the legislative process.

Sometimes I wonder just who is supporting who.

Can someone explain why the NRA is supporting this legislation?

I am physically ill.

Anygunanywhere

I am sure the NRA appreciates you just reading the first paragraph. For the record this is a bill the meets the suggestions put forth by Ted Cruz in January. The 2nd paragraph of the article says:

It does not address a second loophole in the background check requirements – the gun show loophole – which critics say provides an avenue for people who know they cannot pass a background check to buy firearms.

So as usual members on this forum toss people under the bus because the read the headline only. This appears (I have not read the actual bill) to be a bill to require the states that DO NOT report to the NICS system to provide data. BTW for those of you who do not know Texas already has these provisions in the state law regarding "Pleading guilty by reason of insanity" as a means to disqualify you from purchasing guns

KaiserB wrote:
I am sure the NRA appreciates you just reading the first paragraph.

I read the whole article.

I also posted more reasons for my objection, which, by the way, applies to all infringements and firearms regulations.

Congress has no constitutional authority to pass any firearms laws. None.

Furthermore, this allowing the federal government the authority to determine sanity or insanity, or whether or not someone can purchase, own, or carry firearms is in the extreme absurd.

The government in its present form can do NOTHING right. NOTHING!> I trust the federal govertnment with NOTHING. All three branches are corrupt and do not follow the Constitution at all unless it furthers their agenda of running this country into the ground, turning it into a socilaist mecca.

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote: The government in its present form can do NOTHING right. NOTHING!> I trust the federal govertnment with NOTHING. All three branches are corrupt and do not follow the Constitution at all unless it furthers their agenda of running this country into the ground, turning it into a socilaist mecca.

Anygunanywhere

Your tin foil hat on too tight this morning?