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Just a thought on this. There are many companies saying they won't sell their products to individual LEO's, counties, ect, (yet some like Larue will sell to the feds which makes no sense), one has to ask, who is standing up for gun owners? It is the SHERIFF'S. These are the Sheriff's saying they will not enforce gun bans, ect. Yet the Sheriff's that are pro gun, pro freedom and for the constitution will not be allowed to purchase these products? That just seems bonkers. This link shows a list of Sheriff's joining the gun control fight:

* take note the # of Sheriff's in CA standing up to Obama *


http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

texanjoker wrote:This link shows a list of Sheriff's joining the gun control fight:

How many conceal carry permits have they issued? Did those citizens have to jump through any hoops to "legally" exercise their God given right to bear arms?

There are 317 sheriffs on that list. There are a little over 2,000 counties in the US. Just because one can find examples of sheriffs that support the 2A does not mean that all of them -- or even a majority of them -- support it. They might or might not -- insufficient data.

Anyway, my take on the issue is it has nothing to do with whether or not the sheriff supports the politician's bad laws.

If a state like California says ordinary citizens cannot possess an items -- like a .50 caliber rifle, for example, or a 30-round magazine -- but then goes on to say that law enforcement officers can get permission to personally purchase them, I have no problem with a company deciding that it will not support special exemptions for law enforcement and hold an LEO to the same standards allowed ordinary citizens.

I do not agree with a company saying it will not sell to LEO for a personal purchase of a product that is allowed to be purchased by ordinary citizens in their state. To use Wilson Combat for example, I believe anyone in NY can still purchase 7 round 1911 magazines. So if Wilson Combat is willing to sell those magazines to NY civilians, it should be willing to sell to NY LEO's. But Wilson Combat also makes custom AR's. Civilians will no longer be allowed to purchase them, so I am fine with Wilson Combat refusing to sell the to Law Enforcement, either at the agency level or for individual LEO private purchase.

If a company decides there is simply too much liability to sell anything to anyone in a certain state, that is fine with me as well. My company operates in 49 of the 50 states. We have decided we are not willing to operate in California due to its crazy business environment. If we have national customers that need service in California, we will service that account using agents in California. It is a business decision, not personal.

There are 54 counties in California, and 18 Sheriffs on that list. Those counties are almost exclusively the cow counties, sparsely populated rural areas in eastern and northern CA. Folks in those areas are consistently out voted by the densely populated areas along the coast, from San Diego to San Francisco on state wide issues, but can be quite sensible on local ones.

CCW's as we call them here, are issued by the Sheriff in each county usually. Although a police chief can issue, in almost every case, they cede the issuing authority to the Sheriff to avoid the duplication, expense, etc. In the urban counties, the policy works out to be "no issue." LA, San Francisco, Orange County to an extent with the most recent Sheriff, some others are impossible to get approved. OTOH, in the cow counties, many are virtually "shall issue." Anyone with an appropriate record can apply and obtain one. They are good everywhere in the state once issued. You aren't allowed to carry in courthouses, airports, bars etc. There is no 30.06 type stuff.

Sheriffs in the cow counties are generally supportive, the urban ones not so much. Our Sheriff here issues permits because he has to, but would rather not. If he had his way, nobody but sworn officers would have a gun.

San Diego is tough but not impossible. If you have a clean record, been around awhile, own property, own a business, have good references and an intelligent statement of good cause, you have a chance. There are something like 1,800-2,000 CCWs in San Diego. I had one myself, as an attorney, business owner, ex-Navy officer, long time resident, impeccable record, tall, good looking, thrifty, clean, brave, and reverent. Well, most of that! I had to produce letters from my wife, board of directors (me and her!), references (luckily my long time friends are solid citizens too!), finish the required school, pass the shooting test at the Sheriff's Range, complete all the paperwork, pass an interview, and pay for it all. It took some months and more than $500 all told. My permit specified 3 pistols by make, model and serial number I was permitted to carry, and limited my carrying to "business purposes only" whatever that means. I did not renew it last time in anticipation of moving to Texas, as soon as our house sells.

That very American principle of equality says it's a GOOD THING when a business is honorable enough to apply the same rules to customers who work in the government sector as the government wants those companies to apply to customers who work in the private sector.