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Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:30 pm
by RAM4171
Didn't know if this had been posted anywhere
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CSCOPE has come under fire for controversial curriculum content, including accusations of multiple lessons showing a pro-Islamic agenda. CSCOPE representatives had claimed that such content had been “taken out of context” or that they were “old lessons that have since been taken down.”

CSCOPE proponents have denied the existence of such lessons, or, when faced with documentation, have dismissed critics’ claims as exaggerations.

However, in Lumberton, Texas, this week, high school girls were made to wear burqas as part of a CSCOPE study of Islam.


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So, they are pushing Christianity out of schools and pushing in Islam?
Talk about Grinding down America

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:14 pm
by bdickens
Burqas are a Human Rights violation and should be outlawed in the civilized world.

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:43 pm
by K.Mooneyham
I wrote that school...and this is the reply I got from the Superintendent.
It appears that we have a group that is focusing on spreading fear about curriculum tool that we use, called C-Scope. Lumberton does not “promote” Islam, but “teaches” a world history class as defined by the state of Texas’ objective called the TEKS. Key point. The teacher is a veteran teacher and she is Jewish. Now, of all people, if anyone had an agenda to teach the negative aspects of Islam, it might be her. The lesson was not about forcing women to wear Burkas, but a lesson about Middle East culture including, clothing, customs, food, landscape, etc. It’s a shame that a small group of individuals are destroying a teacher, doing what she has done for an entire career, because they have an agenda that is not about our kids, but about their own self-interest – "money".
Let me repeat: The teacher was teaching about culture and not about a dangerous radical religion .
As for the other misinformation, no one has brought it to our attention. Our teachers are only required to teach what the state of Texas requires of us.
Question: What is more dangerous "fear and ignorance" or "education and understanding"
<<District Response to CSCOPE and promotion of Islam.docx>>
<<Freedom Fighter Quote.doc>>
<<Terminology.doc>> <<Response to Geography Lesson.doc>>
John Valastro
Superintendent
Lumberton ISD
There were several documents attached, as well, that purported to support his letter.

This was my reply to him:
Superintendent Valastro,
My concern is not that this teacher ( and I assure you it matters not one bit to me one way or another if she is Jewish) is trying to recruit kids to Islam. My concern is that a bunch of small-town kids will be taught “multiculturalism” which makes them think that “everyone is just the same” all around the world. The world is a rough place and you can call me paranoid or whatever, but there are people out there who want us DEAD just because we are Americans. They don’t care if you are white, black, Republican, Democrat, whatever…they care only that you are an American and they hate that. Some folks with a certain viewpoint think that if we just act nice to these people and “respect” them, then they won’t want to hurt us anymore. I am telling you that attitude is flat wrong. THAT is what I am upset with…and if your school district, in small town East Texas, is teaching this stuff, then others are too. I spent 20 years in the US Air Force with quite a few overseas deployments to the sandbox due to the 9/11 terrorists attacks on this nation. Additionally, my older daughter serves in the Air Force and is in that region right now and a young friend of mine is in the Army in Afghanistan. So, I have some stake in this, even if I don’t live in the Lumberton area. I urge you to review these lessons and ensure that while kids understand it’s okay for folks around the world to be different, it’s not okay for them to attack us due to their religious/political ideology. Thank you for the response and have a fine Texas day.

Sincerely,

K. Mooneyham, MSgt, USAF, (Ret.)

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:14 pm
by pbwalker
I see no issue with this. What is the problem about learning other cultures, regardless of their belief? They are teaching several cultures (Christian, Islam, etc.). Nazi's wanted to kill every Jew, and I guarantee you they teach about the Holocaust in Israel.

And burquas are a human rights violation? I guess you'd say the same about the Kippah? Teffilins? Temple Garments?

I hardly see this as taking "Christianity out of schools". What's wrong with a little knowledge?

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:33 pm
by baldeagle
pbwalker wrote:I see no issue with this. What is the problem about learning other cultures, regardless of their belief? They are teaching several cultures (Christian, Islam, etc.). Nazi's wanted to kill every Jew, and I guarantee you they teach about the Holocaust in Israel.

And burquas are a human rights violation? I guess you'd say the same about the Kippah? Teffilins? Temple Garments?

I hardly see this as taking "Christianity out of schools". What's wrong with a little knowledge?
When they start teaching American history and the Constitution, then we can talk about additional courses covering other cultures if there's time in the curriculum. Until then, they can take their multiculturalism and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:51 pm
by lbuehler325
bdickens wrote:Burqas are a Human Rights violation and should be outlawed in the civilized world.
Burqas are not a human rights violation! If one chooses to wear a burqa, hijab, or whatever, and worship however they choose, we should not attempt to restrict them so long as they aren't infringing on anyone else's rights to worship/live how they please.

For all of you that are so willing to want to outlaw others' private life and activities... because it is advantageous to or doesn't affect you... just remember, you may be the next target.

Schools (and government) should neither promote or restrict one's free exercise of belief. Don't promote or restrict burqas, and don't prevent or encourage prayer. Simply let people worship how they please. Just don't infringe on others' rights in doing so.

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:55 pm
by pbwalker
baldeagle wrote:
pbwalker wrote:I see no issue with this. What is the problem about learning other cultures, regardless of their belief? They are teaching several cultures (Christian, Islam, etc.). Nazi's wanted to kill every Jew, and I guarantee you they teach about the Holocaust in Israel.

And burquas are a human rights violation? I guess you'd say the same about the Kippah? Teffilins? Temple Garments?

I hardly see this as taking "Christianity out of schools". What's wrong with a little knowledge?
When they start teaching American history and the Constitution, then we can talk about additional courses covering other cultures if there's time in the curriculum. Until then, they can take their multiculturalism and stick it where the sun don't shine.
They don't? You should check out the CSCOPE curriculum.

Grade 7: http://www.cscope.us/docs/vad/12_07_TEK ... Sample.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Grade 5: http://www.cscope.us/docs/yag/12_SS_05_ ... Sample.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are more if you are so inclined...

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:12 pm
by baldeagle
pbwalker wrote:
baldeagle wrote:
pbwalker wrote:I see no issue with this. What is the problem about learning other cultures, regardless of their belief? They are teaching several cultures (Christian, Islam, etc.). Nazi's wanted to kill every Jew, and I guarantee you they teach about the Holocaust in Israel.

And burquas are a human rights violation? I guess you'd say the same about the Kippah? Teffilins? Temple Garments?

I hardly see this as taking "Christianity out of schools". What's wrong with a little knowledge?
When they start teaching American history and the Constitution, then we can talk about additional courses covering other cultures if there's time in the curriculum. Until then, they can take their multiculturalism and stick it where the sun don't shine.
They don't? You should check out the CSCOPE curriculum.

Grade 7: http://www.cscope.us/docs/vad/12_07_TEK ... Sample.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Grade 5: http://www.cscope.us/docs/yag/12_SS_05_ ... Sample.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are more if you are so inclined...
Teaching history in the Social Studies curriculum should be a clue. Where's the classes on America's political history? Reading assignments on the Federalist Papers? A course on Constitutional law? All should be required for every student in America before they graduate from high school.

Students who graduate from high school in America today are likely to be unable to spell correctly, write coherent sentences or articulate much of anything about history or geography. They can't do simple math problems like make change. They're incapable of logical thinking or argumentation. In short, they're incompetent. But they've learned to "respect" other cultures and consider the feelings of others and plenty of other liberal gibberish.

You have your whole life to learn other cultures. School should be able becoming competent to function in the world; read, write, do arithmetic, understand the basics of our political system and our rights, know why it's important to vote and be vocal with your political representatives, etc., etc.

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:12 pm
by K.Mooneyham
I was going to edit my post to clarify something, but figured I'd just add it in here. My original email to the school was concerning them using the phrase "freedom fighter" versus terrorist in regards to the 9-11 hijackers. I don't care what people choose to wear, as long as they aren't forced to wear it. My beef was a bunch of kids getting the wrong impression, over a decade after the fact, of those people who murdered almost three thousand folks on that terrible day. I'm not condemning all folks who profess Islam, but I sure don't want those Al Qaeda members actions to be sugar coated.

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:48 am
by RAM4171
pbwalker wrote:I see no issue with this. What is the problem about learning other cultures, regardless of their belief? They are teaching several cultures (Christian, Islam, etc.). Nazi's wanted to kill every Jew, and I guarantee you they teach about the Holocaust in Israel.

And burquas are a human rights violation? I guess you'd say the same about the Kippah? Teffilins? Temple Garments?

I hardly see this as taking "Christianity out of schools". What's wrong with a little knowledge?
I believe to be well rounded that is is good to know about other cultures as well. American history should come first along with math and a mastery of the English language.
The problem is that they are getting "little knowledge"
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/christi ... chool.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.humanevents.com/2011/06/21/t ... f-america/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/Mo ... oA.sml.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:25 am
by anygunanywhere
If you can't see the problem with requiring our childeren to wear burqas as part of the curriculum then how do you expect to recognize other shortcomings of the educational system?

From the business perspective, I don't care if they have experienced any other cultures. I want them to be able to do math, read, write, communicate, shut the heck up when I talk, and be able to work without going glassy eyed and drifting off to never never land.

You have no idea how small the worker pool is getting and the schools are NOT contributing. Neither are most parents.

Anygunanywhere

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:04 am
by RAM4171
:iagree: 100%
you said it better than I did.

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:42 am
by n5wd
baldeagle wrote:
pbwalker wrote:I see no issue with this. What is the problem about learning other cultures, regardless of their belief? They are teaching several cultures (Christian, Islam, etc.). Nazi's wanted to kill every Jew, and I guarantee you they teach about the Holocaust in Israel.

And burquas are a human rights violation? I guess you'd say the same about the Kippah? Teffilins? Temple Garments?

I hardly see this as taking "Christianity out of schools". What's wrong with a little knowledge?
When they start teaching American history and the Constitution, then we can talk about additional courses covering other cultures if there's time in the curriculum. Until then, they can take their multiculturalism and stick it where the sun don't shine.

What makes you think that US History and the Constitution aren't being taught? Every student who graduates from a public high school in the state of Texas has had to have US History and Government as two of the required courses.

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:44 am
by anygunanywhere
n5wd wrote:

What makes you think that US History and the Constitution aren't being taught? Every student who graduates from a public high school in the state of Texas has had to have US History and Government as required courses.
US revisionist history is taught, not the way it actually happened.

Anygunanywhere

Re: Students in Texas made to wear burqas

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:58 am
by bdickens
pbwalker wrote:And burquas are a human rights violation? I guess you'd say the same about the Kippah? Teffilins? Temple Garments?

No, I wouldn't. None of those are hot, suffocating and cut off a large measure of one's sensory input.
Post by lbuehler325 » 27 Feb 2013 20:51

Burqas are not a human rights violation! If one chooses to wear a burqa, hijab, or whatever, and worship however they choose, we should not attempt to restrict them so long as they aren't infringing on anyone else's rights to worship/live how they please.
They sure as heck are. The only ones who "choose" a burqa are seventh-century throwback misogynist men who are bent on trampling every vestige of liberty and freedom that exists in this world. There is nothing is Islam that requires half of the world's population to be virtual prisoners - cut off from the world around them with their vision restricted, their hearing muffled, their sense of touch and smell reduced. It has nothing to do with religious freedom and everything to do with repression.




Five Reasons To Ban the Burqa

Posted By Daniel Greenfield On July 11, 2011 @ 12:04 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | 88 Comments

Belgium and France have banned the Burqa and the new Dutch government is considering doing the same. Critics have charged that the ban is religiously intolerant, some even claim that it’s intolerant of women, but the truth is that the Burqa is dangerous to women. Both those who wear it—and those who don’t.

1. The Burqa Covers Up Abuse

Countries where the Burqa is commonly worn also have higher rates of domestic violence. In Afghanistan 87 percent of women reported experiencing domestic violence. In Pakistan that number goes as high as 90 percent. Domestic violence is also a major problem in Saudi Arabia.

In cases of domestic abuse, the Burqa doesn’t just isolate the woman, it also covers up evidence of the abuse. It gives the abuser the freedom to brutalize his partner without worrying that anyone will even notice.

This is an especially vital issue in Europe, where spousal abuse is a serious crime, and the abuser has more motivation than ever to cover it up. The Burqa successfully isolates abuse victims, cuts them off from any prospective support networks and prevents anyone on the outside from even realizing what is being done to them.

The Muslim community has been in denial about its rates of domestic abuse. The Burqa is one reason why. It’s easier not to see abused women, when they are segregated and the marks of their abuse are kept out sight.

2. The Burqa Justifies Sexual Assault on Women Who Don’t Wear It

In response to a gang rape, the Chief Mufti of Australia said, “If she was in her room, in her home, in her Hijab, no problem would have occurred.” By wearing the Burqa or Hijab, women participate in a narrative that gives rapists a pass for sexual assaults on women who don’t dress the way the Mufti or Imam says they should.

The Koran gives a similar justification for a head to toe covering for women, “O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies that they may thus be distinguished and not molested.” (Koran 33:59)

This distinction between women who can be ‘molested’ and those who cannot is what makes the Burqa such an explosive addition to Europe—which is already suffering from a high rate of Muslim sexual assaults on non-Muslim women.

The Burqa divides women into “good girls” and “whores” and gives potential rapists, religious ammunition for their crimes.

Banning the Burqa protects women who choose not to wear it from being assaulted because of their perceived immodesty.

3. Civic Participation

The essence of a modern society is that it extends civic participation to everyone. Deliberately preventing an entire gender from participating in society as identifiable individuals is an assault on the democratic character of the state.

Individuals are recognizable through personal attributes. Remove those attributes and you remove the individuality as well. The Sahih Bukhari relates that one inspiration for the Burqa was that one of Mohammed’s followers was able to recognize one of his wives at night. The implication is that the Burqa is meant to prevent such recognition from taking place. Women are not meant to be recognized as individuals. Or to be empowered to make their own decisions.

The Burqa is designed to impede interaction outside the home. The failure to be recognized as an individual is dehumanizing and deprives women of their role in civic life.

Countries where the Burqa is in wide use, have low rates of female civic participation. In Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to vote. In parts of Pakistan, women are not allowed to vote as well. In Afghanistan women were shunted into female only polling stations, or forced to vote by proxy through a male family member.

The rise of such segregation in Europe would threaten the democratic character of the society. But should the Burqa become widespread, the status of some European women living in national capitals would begin to resemble those of Saudi and Pakistani women.

4. Segregation is Discrimination

Purdah segregates women at homes and the Burqa segregates them in public. While the authorities cannot interfere with what people choose to do in their own homes—the public wearing of the Burqa is a statement that women are unequal and must be segregated.

Such an attitude is an assault on the legal place of women in society. It imposes the norms of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on the streets of Paris and London. Like a Klan march, it a dehumanizing and intimidating statement of bigotry against a segment of society. While in the United States, such marches are legal, in much of Europe they are not.

If radicals are prevented from making public statements about the inferiority of races, why should they be permitted to assert the inferiority of a gender.

“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other,” the Koran asserts. Replace ‘women’ with any race or religion, and a public assertion of such a thing would be cause for criminal proceedings.

Imposing the segregation of the Burqa on women in an assertion of a bigoted creed that dehumanizes an entire gender. While Muslims are free to believe what they do, a public display that dehumanizes women as a gender by treating their faces as obscene, is an intolerant violation of the norms of civil society.

5. The Wearing of the Burqa is Enforced Through Violence

“More often the girls were under orders from their fathers and uncles and brothers, and even their male classmates. For the boys, transforming a bluejeaned teen-age sister into a docile and observant “Muslim” virgin was a rite de passage into authority, the fast track to becoming a man, and more important, a Muslim man…. it was also a license for violence.” (Jane Kramer, Taking the Veil, New Yorker)

In 2003 a French survey found that 77 percent of girls who wore the Hijab did so because of threats. Women in the Muslim world have been punished by having acid thrown in their faces for not complying with similar demands. There is no way to break through this climate of coercion except by giving women and girls immunity from such demands by banning the source of it. The Burqa.

The Burqa also exposes women to blackmail and intimidation when they deviate from the standard of full body covering. There is a rising number of cases in which women and girls who posted Facebook pictures of themselves in normal clothes have been blackmailed and threatened for it.

As long as the Burqa remains a threat hanging over the heads of Muslim and non-Muslim women alike, no woman in Europe can truly be free from its implied threat to her person and her political freedoms.

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