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actually... this was a consideration under bush... when in afgan.. they found the amercian firghting there, then there is the American mouth piece for al qaeda .... all enemies, foreign and domestic.... ....

the clause is already there... this gives nothing new.. however, what it can do by a simple amendment to it, can make it available to use on US soil....

so the document provides nothing we did not already have, what it does do is provide ground work for using drones on US soil by adding or changing a few lines.... the document is dangerous...

it would remove the soldiers, by posse comitatus, and enable administratively execution of launch against a person on US soil...

but this is all Hypothetical, and conjecture...

Let's be clear; there's no plan to kill Americans on American soil. The only ones being killed are those who left the United States and joined terrorists groups.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Let's be clear; there's no plan to kill Americans on American soil. The only ones being killed are those who left the United States and joined terrorists groups.

Chas.

#1. How do you know? #2. If there's no plan now, how can you know that there won't be one in the future? #3. A drone strike, by this memo, requires: no charges, no judicial review, no specific intelligence...just suspicion. This administration is not worthy of our trust. We don't know whether the next one will be or not. But even if they were worthy of our trust, the standards are so loose, there is no mechanism to guard against mistakes.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Let's be clear; there's no plan to kill Americans on American soil. The only ones being killed are those who left the United States and joined terrorists groups.

Chas.

correct....... so far.. by the gubermint

VMI77 wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Let's be clear; there's no plan to kill Americans on American soil. The only ones being killed are those who left the United States and joined terrorists groups.

Chas.

#1. How do you know? #2. If there's no plan now, how can you know that there won't be one in the future? #3. A drone strike, by this memo, requires: no charges, no judicial review, no specific intelligence...just suspicion. This administration is not worthy of our trust. We don't know whether the next one will be or not. But even if they were worthy of our trust, the standards are so loose, there is no mechanism to guard against mistakes.

I will say this only once... if a large missile drone takes out a building/ car/ person in a city on US soil........ there wont be enough government left to fish with.... talk about a precourser to revolution.. brother that would do it.... You think the goobermint.. is that stupid.... shoot man... they are all IVY leagers... days gots brains up in der.

I love conspiracy therorists.....NOT!

Yeah, the current leadership could turn on us and try to declare war on the general populace of the United States. It would last about 2 seconds before the leaders who would have to carry out the orders to declared unlawful and potentially treasonous in itself, and those leaders would be in cuffs and lead away.

67SS wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Let's be clear; there's no plan to kill Americans on American soil. The only ones being killed are those who left the United States and joined terrorists groups.

Chas.

#1. How do you know? #2. If there's no plan now, how can you know that there won't be one in the future? #3. A drone strike, by this memo, requires: no charges, no judicial review, no specific intelligence...just suspicion. This administration is not worthy of our trust. We don't know whether the next one will be or not. But even if they were worthy of our trust, the standards are so loose, there is no mechanism to guard against mistakes.

I will say this only once... if a large missile drone takes out a building/ car/ person in a city on US soil........ there wont be enough government left to fish with.... talk about a precourser to revolution.. brother that would do it.... You think the goobermint.. is that stupid.... shoot man... they are all IVY leagers... days gots brains up in der.

Well, IF it is done, that won't be the way it happens. The use will be incremental. The first time will be against someone obviously criminal and dangerous that is in a remote location, heavily armed (or so claimed), and and in some unusually secure location, like a "bunker" in the mountains somewhere. It will be done to "save lives." Those killed will be thoroughly demonized in the media. It won't cause a revolution anymore than what happened to the Branch Dividians caused a revolution. Some memo will come out that says strikes like that will only be used in circumstances where there is no other "reasonable" choice, and lives will be saved. They'll wait awhile for the second strike, and less time for the third, as they begin to normalize their use. You're right though, they're not going to use them in populated areas ---an argument I've made myself before in countering the left's claims that armed citizens have no chance to resist a government with nuclear weapons, drones, and tanks.

Also, who says a drone has to take out a target with a missile? A mere civilian with a couple thousand dollars has already demonstrated that a drone can take out individual targets with gun fire. He used a paintball gun, but I'm sure the Feds can field one that uses real ammo. They already have self-guiding bullets that can make something like 20 course corrections on the way to a target. Thinking about it, a drone like that would most like be the first use of a drone to kill on American soil.

Keith B wrote:I love conspiracy therorists.....NOT!

Yeah, the current leadership could turn on us and try to declare war on the general populace of the United States. It would last about 2 seconds before the leaders who would have to carry out the orders to declared unlawful and potentially treasonous in itself, and those leaders would be in cuffs and lead away.

Well, they're not taking apart the Constitution and passing laws like the NDAA because they're not going to use them. I fail to see what "conspiracy theory" even has to do with this subject. There are drones. They're being used to kill people. They will eventually be used to kill Americans as I explain in another post. The notion that they can only be used in some kind of all out war on the general populace is simply false. That's NOT how they will be used. Using them indiscriminately like that would be counter-productive. However, unless you're way older than I am, you will live to see drones killing Americans on American soil --unless such action is made explicitly illegal.

I'm the same kind of conspiracy theorist our Founders were. They didn't trust government. They wrote the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution to express this distrust and provide Americans with the means of resiting what they knew, from the study of history, would be government attempted tyranny at some time in the future. So, if predicting that the government will eventually use these tools against Americans on American soil makes me a "conspiracy theorist," then I guess anyone who believes the 2nd Amendment purpose to be legitimate is also a conspiracy theorist.

VMI77 wrote:

Keith B wrote:I love conspiracy therorists.....NOT!

Yeah, the current leadership could turn on us and try to declare war on the general populace of the United States. It would last about 2 seconds before the leaders who would have to carry out the orders to declared unlawful and potentially treasonous in itself, and those leaders would be in cuffs and lead away.

Well, they're not taking apart the Constitution and passing laws like the NDAA because they're not going to use them. I fail to see what "conspiracy theory" even has to do with this subject. There are drones. They're being used to kill people. They will eventually be used to kill Americans as I explain in another post. The notion that they can only be used in some kind of all out war on the general populace is simply false. That's NOT how they will be used. Using them indiscriminately like that would be counter-productive. However, unless you're way older than I am, you will live to see drones killing Americans on American soil --unless such action is made explicitly illegal.

I'm the same kind of conspiracy theorist our Founders were. They didn't trust government. They wrote the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution to express this distrust and provide Americans with the means of resiting what they knew, from the study of history, would be government attempted tyranny at some time in the future. So, if predicting that the government will eventually use these tools against Americans on American soil makes me a "conspiracy theorist," then I guess anyone who believes the 2nd Amendment purpose to be legitimate is also a conspiracy theorist.

That is a generalized statement that covers way too much. It goes from using a drone to take out terrorist on American soil to 'they are going to kill Americans with it.' This is how these wild ideas get proagated and turn into 'OMG, their gonna wage war and kill us all with these drones.'

Let's get practical. Tactical warfare has advanced ten-fold in the past 5 years. Technology has driven the capability well above where we ever expected to be 10 years ago. While I can see them potentially some day using a drone to selectively target and eliminate a heavily armed Mexican drug cartel convoy that is illegally entering the U.S., or a real terrorist with a vehicle full of explosives, posting as 'it's only the first stop on their way to our total domination' reads and sounds to the general populace like radical paranoia crap.

If that is how you want to be perceived so be it, but we as a forum are NOT going to be painted that way.

67SS wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Let's be clear; there's no plan to kill Americans on American soil. The only ones being killed are those who left the United States and joined terrorists groups.

Chas.

#1. How do you know? #2. If there's no plan now, how can you know that there won't be one in the future? #3. A drone strike, by this memo, requires: no charges, no judicial review, no specific intelligence...just suspicion. This administration is not worthy of our trust. We don't know whether the next one will be or not. But even if they were worthy of our trust, the standards are so loose, there is no mechanism to guard against mistakes.

I will say this only once... if a large missile drone takes out a building/ car/ person in a city on US soil........ there wont be enough government left to fish with.... talk about a precourser to revolution.. brother that would do it.... You think the goobermint.. is that stupid.... shoot man... they are all IVY leagers... days gots brains up in der.

I'll say this only once -- the TexasCHLforum isn't the National Inquirer and it isn't going to become it either.

Stop now.

Chas.