Scan and Frisk Virtual Pat Downs

[LSUTiger]

Get ready for scan-and-frisk.

The NYPD will soon deploy new technology allowing police to detect guns carried by criminals without using the typical pat-down procedure, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Wednesday.

The department just received a machine that reads terahertz — the natural energy emitted by people and inanimate objects — and allows police to view concealed weapons from a distance


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The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it. The Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that this probably is a violation of the constitution, but who cares right? (sarcasm)

[LSUTiger]

This is one technology tin foil might actually defeat!

[anygunanywhere]

They have a different constitution there in NYC and NYS. It is called Bloomberg and Cuomo.

They can actually get away with that stuff there but I seriously doubt it would fly here.

Anygunanywhere

[LSUTiger]

It still scares me. The way I look at thing NYC an NYS are just testing grounds for what they want for all of us. So anything that might not be here now is just a matter of time before "they" are wanting us to "comprimise" some more.

[The Annoyed Man]

If enough people protested by simply wearing a fake "bomb vest" or "exploding underwear" fashioned out of tin-foil, it would quickly overwhelm the capabilities of the system to deal with it. What are they going to do.....arrest everyone? I don't think so.

Even so, there is nothing I need to see or do in New Yorkistan badly enough to want to put up with even 5 seconds of that kind of fascist crap.

[JJVP]

I don't know, but to me, based on the picture they had in the article, the guy being scanned either had the gun concealed muzzle up or he had an extended (20-30 round) magazine.

[anygunanywhere]

I don't know, but to me, based on the picture they had in the article, the guy being scanned either had the gun concealed muzzle up or he had an extended (20-30 round) magazine.

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There's just something wrong with that in so many ways.

Anygunanywhere

[Andrew]

Warrantless technological searchs have already been addressed(infrared scanner used on a suspected grow house) in Kyllo v. United States with the Supremes ruling that they were a clear infringement of the 4th Amendment. Here's a link, http://epic.org/foia/dhs/terahertz-frisking.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that outlines DHS program and scanner developement.

[sjfcontrol]

The required post for this subject...

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[TexasGal]

I sincerely hope the people of New York object to this, or the temptation for other major cities to use it will increase. Either way, I imagine the DHS is not beyond using it whether we know about it or not in lots of places.

[RKirkwood]

It seem like it only show body heat. If something is blocking it it just dark, doesn't really seem that good

[Moby]

What a Police State

[K.Mooneyham]

So, if you take a piece of sheet aluminum, say 50 thousandths thick, and cut it out in the shape of a handgun, will it look like a handgun to that scanner? And indeed, what crime would you have committed by carrying around a piece of aluminum? I'm not even talking about doing it personally, I'm saying if I were a thug and I wanted to keep one of my "crew" out of trouble, ALL the rest of my crew would simply have decoys tucked in...seems like it would be the same as using chaff to fool a radar-guided missile. SOMETIMES the missile would get through (the thug with the REAL gun would be caught) but most of the time it would simply overwhelm the people with the scanner...

[i8godzilla]

Kyllo v. United States, 533 U.S. 27 (2001), held that the use of a thermal imaging device from a public vantage point to monitor the radiation of heat from a person's home was a "search" within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, and thus required a warrant. Because the police in this case did not have a warrant, the Court reversed Kyllo's conviction for growing marijuana.

Would this apply to people?

[Andrew]

Kyllo v. United States, 533 U.S. 27 (2001), held that the use of a thermal imaging device from a public vantage point to monitor the radiation of heat from a person's home was a "search" within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, and thus required a warrant. Because the police in this case did not have a warrant, the Court reversed Kyllo's conviction for growing marijuana.

Would this apply to people?

"The right of the people to be secure in their person, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"
IANAL, but I believe so.