Mental Health Reforms

[anygunanywhere]

Mental health ‘reforms’ could cast ‘blanket dragnet’ for gun rights disabilities.

"It's a dangerous path that should be studied calmly by congress, not passed in hysterical reaction," Howard declared. "It wouldn't sound so bad if all we did was help make sure people who are actually a danger can't get guns. But the mental health disability path has gone far beyond that into mass confiscation from decent people who are not a threat. By 2008, HR 2640 had already turned over 100,000 returning war veterans into prohibited persons without true due process.

"Veterans who served in wartime were denied constitutional protections that are automatically accorded to the lowest common criminals -- due process, presumption of innocence, jury trial, right to competent representation. They weren't even given so much as 'adjudicated due process' with a burden of proof on the government," Howard recalled. "No one should be deprived of the right to self defense -- a penalty fit for a grave crime -- unless they're a threat NOW, not just because they're on a list or saw a counselor for PTSD.

Full Article: http://www.examiner.com/article/mental- ... ts_article

Anygunanywhere

[tommyg]

This opens a big door for abuse... If an anti gun school teachers want to dis-qualify a
3rd grader for life they could simply send the kid in for a psychiatric evaluation

Now anti gun school teachers would be able to make sure nobody makes it through a
school system without a mental record then all elementry school graduates are inelegiable to have guns

our schools have become centers to indoctronate kids to be politically correct.
If a kid sees through it and can think then the kid is mentally ill. They get a label (mentally unstable)
and are filled with physaco active drugs. Now labeled mentally ill no matter how unfaily no gun rights

Accept the indroctination and they are the new anti-gun generation

Resulting in a universal ban Think this over

What about a parent who goes to a counselor to get advice on
handling a pregnant teen now inelegable for consulting a mental health professional

I could go on and on with this but I'm sure you get the point Physicraty is easily abused

[MolonLabe]

I have such a hard time with this aspect. My brother took his own life a while back. He was going through a hard time, nothing outrageous, mild depression, but he mentioned it to his doc at his yearly physical. Doc convinces him to speak to therapist. Therapist says that meds are the answer. His hard time suddenly became a psychotic time on prescribed meds. He regretted that decision from the get go. Said his hard time was a cakewalk compared to the med trap. Docs kept insisted that it took a while to see which meds were just right and that everyone's body reacted differently blah blah blah&to give it some time. We begged him to just check into a hospital before things got out of hand, he refused. He agreed that a stay in a facility might be the only way to get off the prescription roller-coaster that was being chalked up as normal, but his biggest objection was because of the eternal "label" the government would then have on him. His refusal to do so was because the domino effect that he assumed would happen after losing his right to live as a free man in this country and what it would mean for his future. We lived in Mass., he owned his own construction company, that he slaved for years building on his own, and had finally been approved to carry a firearm(which is an almost impossible feat there). He had been roughed up so many darn times over the years trying to maintain a non-union business by the disgusting thugs that own that city, so they finally issued him one after a legit threat was documented by cops on his wife and children. When this med-induced depression spiraled, we as a family struggled so hard with the decision on whether to call authorities when we suspected that he was a danger to himself and get him "pink slipped". We knew that getting a bunch of bureaucrats involved was also a death sentence to him in a different sense, because his ability to earn a living and collapse of his company would then be taken away when his carry license would be without a doubt revoked. It was a catch 22.
Hindsight is often painful, and I understand that there are people who might read this and question our judgement on not involving the "authorities", but it's always easier being on the outside of a situation and looking in. Making the decision to take away a person's freedom that you love is not as easy a decision as it might seem. But I stand firm in knowing that if the option of receiving proper mental help didn't automatically equal my brother's 2nd amendment rights being revoked, he might still be here today. (And yes, we tried to secure his firearms when this all started, but when there is a will...there is a way) Just my two cents.

[bones357]

Welcome to Nazi America. We'll have people turning in neighbors as "mentally ill" like the Nazi did to the Jews.

[tommyg]

Yea I have a neighbor that says I have issues because she does not like my 2 small dogs
they are both spay females and they weigh about 10 lbs each. She tries to accuse me
of running a puppy mill. I guess this makes me some kind of a mental case.
Turn me in to Floyd, Skinner and Maslow.

[MeMelYup]

What meds was he on. That may have more of a bearing than a lot of professionals think.

[Charles L. Cotton]

One cannot deny that we have an critical problem with unstable people not receiving the mental healthcare they need. Since the 1970's, we've spent less and less money on state hospitals and these people wind up in jail or homeless. In Harris County, the largest mental health facility is the Harris County Jail. That's absurd!

Sure, a new federal or state law could be overreaching and objectionable, so we have to make sure no such provisions pass. Doing nothing on this critical issue would be a mistake.

Chas.

[mojo84]

I agree with Mr. Cotton.

My thought is that we need to help make sure the mentally ill are identifued and get the help they need but not necessarily jump straight to committing them or denying them their rights.

The actual structure and mechanics of how to do this will have to be left up to people much smarter than me in this area of expertise.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I agree with Mr. Cotton.

My thought is that we need to help make sure the mentally ill are identifued and get the help they need but not necessarily jump straight to committing them or denying them their rights.

The actual structure and mechanics of how to do this will have to be left up to people much smarter than me in this area of expertise.

Yes and we need to remember that many of not most mental illnesses do not involve increased propensity toward violence.

Chas.

[mojo84]

I agree with Mr. Cotton.

My thought is that we need to help make sure the mentally ill are identifued and get the help they need but not necessarily jump straight to committing them or denying them their rights.

The actual structure and mechanics of how to do this will have to be left up to people much smarter than me in this area of expertise.

Yes and we need to remember that many of not most mental illnesses do not involve increased propensity toward violence.

Chas.

Absolutely. It concerns me that anyone with depression or similar illnesses may be automatically thrown into the ineligible group.

[MeMelYup]

I agree with Mr. Cotton.

My thought is that we need to help make sure the mentally ill are identifued and get the help they need but not necessarily jump straight to committing them or denying them their rights.

The actual structure and mechanics of how to do this will have to be left up to people much smarter than me in this area of expertise.

Yes and we need to remember that many of not most mental illnesses do not involve increased propensity toward violence.

Chas.

Can't some if the meds increase that propensity though?

[nitrogen]

I just hope if we're going to take away someone's rights, that somehow a court is involved to review the decision. The last thing I want is for someone to get on a list, and have their rights taken away by some doctor or bureaucrat.

Perhaps it means we need to give in a bit to more healthcare mandates, to make sure people who are mentally ill get the help they need. Perhaps it means a bit more tax money going to fund mental hospitals so people can get the help they need.