The new "freedom" liberals envision for "us."

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http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... ge/253981/

Yes, this sounds like something from The Onion but this guy is apparently serious. He's what passes for an "ethicist" these days.
From drugs to help you avoid eating meat to genetically engineered cat-like eyes to reduce the need for lighting, a wild interview about changes humans could make to themselves to battle climate change.
Designer children, sized to fit your desires:
In your paper you suggest that some human engineering solutions may actually be liberty enhancing. How so?

Liao: That's right. It's been suggested that, given the seriousness of climate change, we ought to adopt something like China's one child policy. There was a group of doctors in Britain who recently advocated a two-child maximum. But at the end of the day those are crude prescriptions---what we really care about is some kind of fixed allocation of greenhouse gas emissions per family. If that's the case, given certain fixed allocations of greenhouse gas emissions, human engineering could give families the choice between two medium sized children, or three small sized children. From our perspective that would be more liberty enhancing than a policy that says "you can only have one or two children." A family might want a really good basketball player, and so they could use human engineering to have one really large child.
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In the paper you also discuss the pharmacological enhancement of empathy and altruism, because empathy and altruism tend to be highly correlated with positive attitudes toward the environment. To me this one seems like it might be the most troubling. Isn't it more problematic to do biological tinkering to produce a belief, rather than simply engineering humans so that they are better equipped to implement their beliefs?

Liao: Yes. It's certainly ethically problematic to insert beliefs into people, and so we want to be clear that's not something we're proposing. What we have in mind has more to do with weakness of will. For example, I might know that I ought to send a check to Oxfam, but because of a weakness of will I might never write that check. But if we increase my empathetic capacities with drugs, then maybe I might overcome my weakness of will and write that check.
They won't have to make Big Macs illegal, they'll make us too sick to eat them:
One human engineering strategy you mention is a kind of pharmacologically induced meat intolerance. You suggest that humans could be given meat alongside a medication that triggers extreme nausea, which would then cause a long-lasting aversion to meat eating. Why is it that you expect this could have such a dramatic impact on climate change?

Liao: There is a widely cited U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization report that estimates that 18% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions and CO2 equivalents come from livestock farming, which is actually a much higher share than from transportation. More recently it's been suggested that livestock farming accounts for as much as 51% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. And then there are estimates that as much as 9% of human emissions occur as a result of deforestation for the expansion of pastures for livestock. And that doesn't even to take into account the emissions that arise from manure, or from the livestock directly. Since a large portion of these cows and other grazing animals are raised for consumption, it seems obvious that reducing the consumption of these meats could have considerable environmental benefits.

Even a minor 21% to 24% reduction in the consumption of these kinds of meats could result in the same reduction in emissions as the total localization of food production, which would mean reducing "food miles" to zero. And, I think it's important to note that it wouldn't necessarily need to be a pill. We have also toyed around with the idea of a patch that might stimulate the immune system to reject common bovine proteins, which could lead to a similar kind of lasting aversion to meat products.
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Take away meat? Ha not a chance. Taking away meat from me is like taking away guns.

Have these people never read 1984? I bet they have and that's what they want. It was meant as a warning not an inspiration. :rules:

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:iagree:
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I'll give up my knife and fork when they pry them from my cold dead hands.

They can have my knife and fork when they are empty and I throw them.

I'm getting carried away. I just finished my beef for lunch.

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They can take away my pork-chop when they pry it from my cold, dead hands! :patriot: :fire
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Cant believe that libs are still harping MANMADE Global Warming. The original study was outed as a hoax. Everything that followed was fruit of that fake tree.
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rm9792 wrote:Cant believe that libs are still harping MANMADE Global Warming. The original study was outed as a hoax. Everything that followed was fruit of that fake tree.
The facts don't matter to them: they're never going to stop because it's a "crisis" they can use to advance their agenda. It's not really about global warming, it's about getting enough of the population to believe in something they can use as a justification to increase their own power and control.
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Careful, you'll have someone come on here and tell you how not loving that whole plan makes you a dirty conservative trying to control people, and of course, that will spell doom for the conservatives at the polls in November and enable the re-election of the Glorious Leader...oh, sorry, my mistake, I guess (bless my heart), I'm just being dogmatic...
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From drugs to help you avoid eating meat to genetically engineered cat-like eyes to reduce the need for lighting, a wild interview about changes humans could make to themselves to battle climate change.
O brave new world! That has such people in't!
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Perhaps we should just engineer ourselves to exist in a warmer climate... :biggrinjester:
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Heartland Patriot wrote:Careful, you'll have someone come on here and tell you how not loving that whole plan makes you a dirty conservative trying to control people, and of course, that will spell doom for the conservatives at the polls in November and enable the re-election of the Glorious Leader...oh, sorry, my mistake, I guess (bless my heart), I'm just being dogmatic...
still upset huh? :roll:

can't hold on to things...it's no good for the health.

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How about we just evolve instead.[img][/img]
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MeMelYup wrote:How about we just evolve instead.
+1

We've done it for thousands of years, and well continue to do it tomorrow.
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