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I know a lot of you guys and gals are not proponents of "open carry", I am in favor of it. As with most, I would probably never open carry, but I would like to have that option if I chose to do so. Being from Kentucky (I got to Texas as fast as I could) where open carry is legal, none of the usual blubbering from the anti-gun liberals has ever happened. And you would be hard pressed to actually see anyone open carry there. I sent an e-mail to Rep. Lavender and got a nice response from his Legislative Director, Benjamin Pollock. Here it is;

"Representative Lavender is indeed planning to introduce open carry legislation. We plan on introducing it and making an announcement next week. Thank you for your support!"

Benjamin Pollock
Legislative Director
State Rep. George Lavender

And this just in from George himself. A true patriot.

We do have the bill written and I’m going to file it soon. We are just trying to compare what we have with other versions, and also waiting on the NRA folks to look at it before we file it, because I promised to do that. Thanks for your e-mail and support.

George

Interesting. I don't know if I'm open carry (haven't made up my mind) but I would like the current laws to be a little more lax if I accidentally showed the weapon. I've had to buy a whole new batch of shirts in the last week since I got my CHL. I've gained weight and most of my shirts are a bit short. So, I would love to be able to not have to worry so much if my holster showed etc...

redlin67 wrote:I know a lot of you guys and gals are not proponents of "open carry",

That's not entirely true. Many of us here are in favor of OC. What many of us aren't in favor of is having more businesses put up 30.06 signs. What we are worried about is the high probability that if OC were to become law in Texas that it would be lumped in with the CHL laws and the same sign that prohibits CC would also prohibit OC. As it stands, there are many ignorant business owners and they are not posting 30.06 signs, but what they don't see isn't going to hurt us. However, if they really don't want guns in their place of business, the first time someone walks in OCing and they call the police they will be informed of the proper way to prohibit law abiding people from carrying a gun in their store. We can currently carry in more places than probably any other state. In order to get OC passed that could change or more places would figure out how to keep us out. It's a risk many of us aren't willing to take.

Put a property who wants to ban open carry under a different rule, that way they have to buy two signs if they really want to ban all guns

C-dub wrote:

redlin67 wrote:I know a lot of you guys and gals are not proponents of "open carry",

That's not entirely true. Many of us here are in favor of OC. What many of us aren't in favor of is having more businesses put up 30.06 signs. What we are worried about is the high probability that if OC were to become law in Texas that it would be lumped in with the CHL laws and the same sign that prohibits CC would also prohibit OC. As it stands, there are many ignorant business owners and they are not posting 30.06 signs, but what they don't see isn't going to hurt us. However, if they really don't want guns in their place of business, the first time someone walks in OCing and they call the police they will be informed of the proper way to prohibit law abiding people from carrying a gun in their store. We can currently carry in more places than probably any other state. In order to get OC passed that could change or more places would figure out how to keep us out. It's a risk many of us aren't willing to take.

I'm not as worried about this scenario as a lot of you. Given how few business can get the 30.06 right under the current law, I doubt many would be able/willing to put up the full-size sign to stop open carry. Most likely a lot of OC'ers would get verbal (that's right, I said it.....) notice under 30.06, then they'd stop doing it.

The easiest way to effect (licensed) open carry would be to simply strike 46.035(a). Maybe also do a little cleanup in GC 411 to remove the "concealed" references.

ScottDLS wrote: I'm not as worried about this scenario as a lot of you. Given how few business can get the 30.06 right under the current law, I doubt many would be able/willing to put up the full-size sign to stop open carry.

This may be true and it remains to be proven, but the way it is now the ones that can't get it right think they are preventing someone from bringing a gun in their store. Once they know for sure that what they are doing is insufficient they will probably find out the right way. At least for those that really don't want a gun in their store.

ScottDLS wrote:

C-dub wrote:

redlin67 wrote:I know a lot of you guys and gals are not proponents of "open carry",

That's not entirely true. Many of us here are in favor of OC. What many of us aren't in favor of is having more businesses put up 30.06 signs. What we are worried about is the high probability that if OC were to become law in Texas that it would be lumped in with the CHL laws and the same sign that prohibits CC would also prohibit OC. As it stands, there are many ignorant business owners and they are not posting 30.06 signs, but what they don't see isn't going to hurt us. However, if they really don't want guns in their place of business, the first time someone walks in OCing and they call the police they will be informed of the proper way to prohibit law abiding people from carrying a gun in their store. We can currently carry in more places than probably any other state. In order to get OC passed that could change or more places would figure out how to keep us out. It's a risk many of us aren't willing to take.

I'm not as worried about this scenario as a lot of you. Given how few business can get the 30.06 right under the current law, I doubt many would be able/willing to put up the full-size sign to stop open carry. Most likely a lot of OC'ers would get verbal (that's right, I said it.....) notice under 30.06, then they'd stop doing it.

The easiest way to effect (licensed) open carry would be to simply strike 46.035(a). Maybe also do a little cleanup in GC 411 to remove the "concealed" references.

For the moment this is true. But think what will happen when ‘Susie soccer mom’ pees her pants at the sight of a gun. They will jump on the store manager. The manager doesn’t want the hassle so proper signage starts appearing.

It’s fine to say that ‘we’ll take our business elsewhere’. But it doesn’t take a genius to realize that CHL holders comprise around 2% of the population. The managers/owners aren’t going to be too worried about 2%.

Elza wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:

C-dub wrote:

redlin67 wrote:I know a lot of you guys and gals are not proponents of "open carry",

That's not entirely true. Many of us here are in favor of OC. What many of us aren't in favor of is having more businesses put up 30.06 signs. What we are worried about is the high probability that if OC were to become law in Texas that it would be lumped in with the CHL laws and the same sign that prohibits CC would also prohibit OC. As it stands, there are many ignorant business owners and they are not posting 30.06 signs, but what they don't see isn't going to hurt us. However, if they really don't want guns in their place of business, the first time someone walks in OCing and they call the police they will be informed of the proper way to prohibit law abiding people from carrying a gun in their store. We can currently carry in more places than probably any other state. In order to get OC passed that could change or more places would figure out how to keep us out. It's a risk many of us aren't willing to take.

I'm not as worried about this scenario as a lot of you. Given how few business can get the 30.06 right under the current law, I doubt many would be able/willing to put up the full-size sign to stop open carry. Most likely a lot of OC'ers would get verbal (that's right, I said it.....) notice under 30.06, then they'd stop doing it.

The easiest way to effect (licensed) open carry would be to simply strike 46.035(a). Maybe also do a little cleanup in GC 411 to remove the "concealed" references.

For the moment this is true. But think what will happen when ‘Susie soccer mom’ pees her pants at the sight of a gun. They will jump on the store manager. The manager doesn’t want the hassle so proper signage starts appearing.

It’s fine to say that ‘we’ll take our business elsewhere’. But it doesn’t take a genius to realize that CHL holders comprise around 2% of the population. The managers/owners aren’t going to be too worried about 2%.

What percent of the population do suppose would have this kind of reaction?

I think you sell the public short, most folks will not even notice...let alone have a fit over it.

flintknapper wrote:I think you sell the public short, most folks will not even notice...let alone have a fit over it.

Particularly the large percentage that think that since this is Texas we already have open carry.

flintknapper wrote:What percent of the population do suppose would have this kind of reaction?

I think you sell the public short, most folks will not even notice...let alone have a fit over it.

All it takes is one person to squeak properly and the grease will be applied. I've never ever met a gay person that wanted to marry their partner. Yet that doesn't stop it from becoming a huge, hot topic in this country.

Here it is: HB 2756 http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82 ... 02756I.htm

we may be 2% of the population but we might have generally higher incomes/or more disposible income.

redlin67 wrote:Here it is: HB 2756 http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82 ... 02756I.htm

Good luck! I would love to have an option to open carry while travelling, hiking, hunting, etc....

Beiruty wrote:

redlin67 wrote:Here it is: HB 2756 http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82 ... 02756I.htm

Good luck! I would love to have an option to open carry while travelling, hiking, hunting, etc....

Well you already can while traveling and hiking.