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If I were a New York politician, this is what I would want as law!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cops ... qY85ZHJSYI

Excerpt:
"The bill -- drafted in the wake of Sean Bell's controversial police shooting death -- would force officers to use their weapons "with the intent to stop, rather than kill" a suspect. They would be mandated to "shoot a suspect in the arm or the leg." "

Not everyone can shoot like the Lone Ranger.

I can see a NYC officer ... Yes your honor, I shot him in both arms and both legs and he still kept shooting at people, so next I tried to just shoot his eyes so he couldn't see to keep aiming and keep shooting people .... perhaps those overpenetrated?

tomc wrote:They would be mandated to "shoot a suspect in the arm or the leg."

Or, if the subject was armed, shoot the gun out of his hand.

TxRVer wrote:Not everyone can shoot like the Lone Ranger.

Yeah! Especially NY cops.

Of course, the bill is outrageous. But I remind myself that we don't shoot to kill either. We shoot to stop. Sometimes that results in a dead perp. But I'll tell anyone who'll listen that I shot to stop the threat, not to kill it. Verbal political correctness is a pain in the posterior, but if it keeps me out of jail, I'm good with it.

TAM, I think it is more than just verbal PC. I don't know you personally, just from the Forum, but I don't think you - or anyone else here - is intent on "killing" anyone.

If you have to shoot, it means you are under attack and you're shooting to stop the attack.

With that said, of course the requirement to aim for a limb is absurd. Nobody can reliably hit a small moving target like an arm or leg, in the heat of the moment - and a gunshot would to the arm can hit the brachial artery, to the leg the femoral artery, and the person will bleed out in short order. Shooting an extremity is not necessarily non-lethal, besides being difficult.

Regards,
Andrew

"Under present NYPD training, cops are taught to shoot at the center of their target and fire their weapon until the threat has been stopped."

"In fact, NYPD officers and detectives hit their targets only 17 percent of the time because of the incredibly stressful circumstances surrounding a shooting."

They can only hit the targets 17 percent of the time shooting at center mass. Trying to shoot an arm or leg they might hit their target 0.17 percent of the time. Where all the idiots in NY come from?

"Vice President Joe Biden, who scoffed and suggested it be dubbed "The John Wayne Bill" because it demands sharp-shooting skills of the kind only seen in movies."

I never thought I would agree with Biden on anything. Guess I was wrong.

BobCat wrote:TAM, I think it is more than just verbal PC. I don't know you personally, just from the Forum, but I don't think you - or anyone else here - is intent on "killing" anyone.

If you have to shoot, it means you are under attack and you're shooting to stop the attack.

With that said, of course the requirement to aim for a limb is absurd. Nobody can reliably hit a small moving target like an arm or leg, in the heat of the moment - and a gunshot would to the arm can hit the brachial artery, to the leg the femoral artery, and the person will bleed out in short order. Shooting an extremity is not necessarily non-lethal, besides being difficult.

Regards,
Andrew

You are absolutely correct, in all points.

JJVP wrote:
"Vice President Joe Biden, who scoffed and suggested it be dubbed "The John Wayne Bill" because it demands sharp-shooting skills of the kind only seen in movies."

I never thought I would agree with Biden on anything. Guess I was wrong.

I'm with you. That is pretty funny.

That bill doesn't go far enough !!!
Arm or leg could be fatal.
Really, they should only shoot off the trigger fingers, that would stop the threat.
(Unless a bad guy can use his toes to pull a trigger, if so, shoot the trigger toe off too.)
Alternatively, issue NERF bullets soaked in jalepeno juice and aim for the eyes... then they can't collect disability for the missing fingers later.

Boy, they left a whole bunch of the Penal Code out.

Who knew that Sylvester Stallone movie, Demolition Man, would prove to be prophetic.

"We're police officers! We're not trained to handle this kind of violence!"

And the comments,

“This is about training officers correctly to take a shot or two stop for a split second and take more shots AS NEEDED”.

Why would anyone want to be a cop in New York?

VoiceofReason wrote:And the comments,

“This is about training officers correctly to take a shot or two stop for a split second and take more shots AS NEEDED”.

Why would anyone want to be a cop in New York?

How about, "your honor, I shot him in the center of mass because I ascertained that aiming for a leg or arm would unnecessarily endanger civilians in the vicinity. Once he was down and I could do so without endangering any innocents, I shot him in the in foot so he couldn't get up and run away."