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What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:56 am
by marksiwel
Examples Lower Taxes, Better Tax Plan, Term Limits, Healthcare reform, Tort Reform?

I'm not sure, I tend to be all over the map when it comes to politics. I guess right now my number 1 goal is getting America out of Debt and controlling inflation

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:02 am
by JimR
Gridlock. As long as there's gridlock they're not passing any new "law." As long as their not passing new law, they're not taking any more of my money or rights.

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:10 am
by Oldgringo
Instead of WASTING money on pointless wars, trying to buy friends where there are no friends and being the world police and benefactor, put that money into domestic Social Security for Sr's. and Medicare for all.

How hard is that to understand? :banghead:

P.S:

If there is any money left over, bailout Lehman Bros. as was done with the others who have received money that should have gone into the above domestic programs.

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:17 am
by bdickens
How hard is it to understand that the Constitution does not authorize Congress to spend money on health care but it does authorize Congress to spend it on military operations?

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:21 am
by Oldgringo
bdickens wrote:How hard is it to understand that the Constitution does not authorize Congress to spend money on health care but it does authorize Congress to spend it on military operations?
Horsefeathers!

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:36 am
by A-R
Ammunition rights

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:38 am
by joe817
OldGringo for President! :lol: :clapping: :thumbs2: :thumbs2: Seriously, very good points. And most valid, IMO.

And how do we accomplish that? A turn to a more isolationist policy on the international front. Let's protect ourselves first. Both militarily and economically.

And steering toward a more Laissez-faire economic model on the domestic front. It's been shown time and time again that Keynesian policies don't always work in our collective best interests(an understatement).

Ouch! My brain hurts now. :lol:

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:43 am
by bdickens
Oldgringo wrote:
bdickens wrote:How hard is it to understand that the Constitution does not authorize Congress to spend money on health care but it does authorize Congress to spend it on military operations?
Horsefeathers!

Show me.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


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Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:50 am
by marksiwel
Wait what about Nasa, its not in there. Also there's no mention of the Airforce!

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:19 am
by joe817
marksiwel wrote:Wait what about Nasa, its not in there. Also there's no mention of the Airforce!
Since Section 8 didn't go into effect until March 4, 1789, that would have been kind of difficult wouldn't it? "rlol"

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:23 am
by marksiwel
joe817 wrote:
marksiwel wrote:Wait what about Nasa, its not in there. Also there's no mention of the Airforce!
Since Section 8 didn't go into effect until March 4, 1789, that would have been kind of difficult wouldn't it? "rlol"
So you arent an orignalist I take it "rlol"

Also it says that congress can coin money, does that include paper money? I think not!

Also The Constitution doesnt give you a Right to
Privacy
Travel
Or Immigration.

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:46 am
by bdickens
The Constitution doesn't give any rights.

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:01 pm
by marksiwel
bdickens wrote:The Constitution doesn't give any rights.
You are correct
http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2010-01-29.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"In other words, people’s rights don’t come from government or from documents that bring government into existence. They come from nature and God. They exist independently of government and the Constitution. That is, even if there were no federal government and no Constitution, people would still have their natural, God-given rights. Such rights preexist government. "

The government is also under no duty to educate you, provide you with safe drinking water, safe food and drugs, pave the roads, or feed you.
So why do we have one in the first place?

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:05 pm
by mbw
bdickens wrote:The Constitution doesn't give any rights.
Right On!

The Constitution defines and limits the powers of the Federal government.

Re: What is your Number 1 Poltical Goal other than Gun Rights?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:09 pm
by The Annoyed Man
bdickens wrote:The Constitution doesn't give any rights.
Correct. It presupposes natural, or "God-given," rights to exist, and it enumerates those rights. But it does not grant them. There was even a rather significant debate between various founders as to whether or not a bill of rights ought to be included — one side arguing that to enumerate them would be to put them at risk because of government's natural tendency to violate them; and the other side arguing that if they were not enumerated, government would routinely violate them. But both sides of the argument understood that these rights exist; that they predate the existence of the Constitution; and that it would be the tendency of government to violate those rights.