Obama supports making the AWB permanent

[CHL/LEO]

Got this from Obama's Urban Policy posting on the White House website:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

Lots more interesting goodies on these two sites:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/

[AEA]

If they were only talking about real "Assault Weapons" (I.E. - Full Auto), it might be a good idea............

But, I am sure they are not that smart.

[nitrogen]

George W Bush did, too.

Obama's a lost cause; I'm more worried about Congress at this point.

[Charles L. Cotton]

George W Bush did, too.

Obama's a lost cause; I'm more worried about Congress at this point.

Sorry, Nitrogen, but George W. didn't support it. That was a campaign statement he didn't mean and the "fix" was already in to make sure he never got a bill on his desk. If something had slipped through, it would not have been identical to the Clinton Gun Ban (that fix was in also), so that would have given him a way out. Everyone in politics knew it and famous anti-gunners like Brady, Feinstein and Schumer accurately pointed out that, if Bush really supported reauthorization of the Clinton Bun Ban, then he would have at least "lifted a finger to" promote it.

Chas.

[stevie_d_64]

I can't believe they put this back out for public consumption...

They must believe we are fatigued about the issue and will roll over like cockroaches...

I guess they have never been bit by a cockroach...

[Liberty]

George W Bush did, too.

Obama's a lost cause; I'm more worried about Congress at this point.

Sorry, Nitrogen, but George W. didn't support it. That was a campaign statement he didn't mean and the "fix" was already in to make sure he never got a bill on his desk. If something had slipped through, it would not have been identical to the Clinton Gun Ban (that fix was in also), so that would have given him a way out. Everyone in politics knew it and famous anti-gunners like Brady, Feinstein and Schumer accurately pointed out that, if Bush really supported reauthorization of the Clinton Bun Ban, then he would have at least "lifted a finger to" promote it.

Chas.

I understand that you may have some private knowledge we don't. But the fact remains that 'W' did speak for an assualt weapons ban, and gave moral support to the enemy. I understand that when compared to Obama he might look more like a centrist. But to paint W as a RKBA supporter is deceiving. He stood against us in the AWB and he stood against us in the Heller case.

[Liberty]

George W Bush did, too.

Obama's a lost cause; I'm more worried about Congress at this point.

Sorry, Nitrogen, but George W. didn't support it. That was a campaign statement he didn't mean and the "fix" was already in to make sure he never got a bill on his desk. If something had slipped through, it would not have been identical to the Clinton Gun Ban (that fix was in also), so that would have given him a way out. Everyone in politics knew it and famous anti-gunners like Brady, Feinstein and Schumer accurately pointed out that, if Bush really supported reauthorization of the Clinton Bun Ban, then he would have at least "lifted a finger to" promote it.

Chas.

I guess if he really didn't mean it, he was simply a liar.
I understand that you may have some private knowledge we don't. But the fact remains that 'W' did speak for an assualt weapons ban, and gave moral support to the enemy. I understand that when compared to Obama he might look more like a centrist. But to paint W as a RKBA supporter is deceiving. He stood against us in the AWB and he stood against us in the Heller case.

[gmckinl]

My Dear Mr. Liberty,

You are waaaaaaay off base. Charles gave you the reality on how things work in the world of politics. While I didn't like GW's words either, I understand that he was just making a chess move to survive for the better good. Remember that GW is the Governor who gave Texans CHL! Repeat, GW is the one who signed into law the Texas CHL legislation. If he had to make a fake pass pump to throw the oponents off track, so be it. GW gave Texans more pro-gun laws than any of his predecessors. Please do not throw him under the bus for a slight of hand manuever.

[nitrogen]

Chas: Respectfully, I ain't buying it for a second.

If George Bush just said it once, that'd be one thing. Scott McClellan and Ari Fleicher reiterated his support for the ban on at least one occasion.

Fleischer (May 8, 2003): Well, the President thought, and said so at the time in 2000, that the assault weapon ban was a reasonable step. The assault weapon ban was crafted with the thought that it would deter crime. There are still studies underway of its crime deterring abilities, but the President thought that was reasonable, and that's why he supported it. And that's why he supports the reauthorization of the current ban. . . . Often the President will agree, of course, with the National Rifle Association. On this issue he does not. . . . In this instance, you know what he said, as you pointed out, in 2000. He continues to believe it today.

[...] his position has been very well-known. We've restated that position. It remains unchanged. But he does not set the legislative timetable. Members of Congress set the legislative timetable. And Congress has stated -- congressional leaders have stated that it's not going to come up for a vote.

[nitrogen]

[quote="gmckinl"Remember that GW is the Governor who gave Texans CHL! Repeat, GW is the one who signed into law the Texas CHL legislation. [/quote]

Just because GWB supported our rights to carry concealed doesn't automatically mean he supports our rights to own so called assault weapons.

He can be right on one issue, and wrong on another.

[03Lightningrocks]

It cracks me up when folks take shots at Bush or other republicans to justify their support for Obama. At some point they too will all realize that socialism doesn't work and that Obama doesn't walk on water.

Every time a falicy with the democraps is pointed out...they take a shot at Bush. At some point that dog won't hunt any longer. I believe the OP was pointing out Obama's attack...which is here today. How does flinging monkey poo at GW change that the O is trying to destroy America?

[Liberty]

It cracks me up when folks take shots at Bush or other republicans to justify their support for Obama. At some point they too will all realize that socialism doesn't work and that Obama doesn't walk on water.

Every time a falicy with the democraps is pointed out...they take a shot at Bush. At some point that dog won't hunt any longer. I believe the OP was pointing out Obama's attack...which is here today. How does flinging monkey poo at GW change that the O is trying to destroy America?

I guess that is aimed at me. I do not support Obama at all. He is as far to left as one can get in American politics. Any critisism for Obama here is just preaching to the chior, there is no point. I dislike leftist Government, G.W.B promoted a leftist government. I do believe that Bush 's leftist politics paved the way for the Pelosi's and Obama's .
Its kinda funny when folks have to go back to when W was a governor to defend him as a President. I have little fault with Governor Bush, My issues are with President Bush. W almost single handedly destroyed conservatism in the Republic party. he signed pork laden bills, endorsed the AWB and fought against Heller. Oh yeah he didn't really mean it when he said he would support an AWB but apparently just wanted to make the Bradys happy. The only pro-RKBAs issue we got out of his administration was the Park carry change, and that was initiated by our legislators.
Please explain how I am out of line?

[Morgan]

Wasn't it GWB who allowed the AWB to sunset?

[Purplehood]

It cracks me up when folks take shots at Bush or other republicans to justify their support for Obama. At some point they too will all realize that socialism doesn't work and that Obama doesn't walk on water.

Every time a falicy with the democraps is pointed out...they take a shot at Bush. At some point that dog won't hunt any longer. I believe the OP was pointing out Obama's attack...which is here today. How does flinging monkey poo at GW change that the O is trying to destroy America?

I guess that is aimed at me. I do not support Obama at all. He is as far to left as one can get in American politics. Any critisism for Obama here is just preaching to the chior, there is no point. I dislike leftist Government, G.W.B promoted a leftist government. I do believe that Bush 's leftist politics paved the way for the Pelosi's and Obama's .
Its kinda funny when folks have to go back to when W was a governor to defend him as a President. I have little fault with Governor Bush, My issues are with President Bush. W almost single handedly destroyed conservatism in the Republic party. he signed pork laden bills, endorsed the AWB and fought against Heller. Oh yeah he didn't really mean it when he said he would support an AWB but apparently just wanted to make the Bradys happy. The only pro-RKBAs issue we got out of his administration was the Park carry change, and that was initiated by our legislators.
Please explain how I am out of line?

Ooh-rah. I fully agree. Not supporting Bush is NOT by default a vote for Obama. I do not like Bush the President, and I do not like Obama the President.
The Republican-party has traditionally been the party of less-government, yet it became so intrusive in the last two administrations that I thought that FDR had reincarnated.

[nitrogen]

Wasn't it GWB who allowed the AWB to sunset?

Nope. Congress didn't schedule a vote on the AWB renewal. George W Bush had no say in the matter, because Congress didn't send him a bill.