Authorities Respond to Report of ’20 Victim Shooting’ Incident in San Bernardino: Fire Dept.

[jed]

On NPR this morning, one of the people they interviewed said they used AR15 style rifles (DPMS and S&W) and had 2 pistols (S&W and Lama?). He also made the comment that the man had left the party and went home and got his wife and the other person and returned to the scene.

As to the gun grabbers, maybe if California didn't have such stupid gun laws, there might have been a couple of CHL holders in that room. At least the toll might not have been so high.

Gabbie Gifords husband was on the news spouting the usual anti-gun rhetoric. Universal background checks, blah, blah, blah. He said there has been over 300 "mass shootings" in the US this year. What constitutes "mass", more than 1? The distortions and lies will flood out now.

This is something new that they've come up with. A guy on Reddit put together an Excel spreadsheet. He defined mass shooting as "any time 4 or more people are shot". The FBI definition is much narrower than that. It has to be at least four killed, not gang related, not domestic violence, not crime related (like a robbery gone bad.)

With the new definition he came up with 352 mass shootings in 2015 (versus 30 for the FBI) and how anti-gun nuts are touting that to the rooftops. Now the news media has picked up on it, and it's growing like wildfire.

I downloaded the spreadsheet and glanced at it last night. The first two were a fight at a bar and a domestic fight. Only one killed in both incidents. Definitely not mass shooting.

When people think about mass shootings they think about several things; random violence, public setting with a large crowd, automatic weapons.

Here's the site: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

When did this really increase?
2008 to present.

What is the common denominator?
Our president.

[VMI77]

I responded a little differently than the authorities: I went out and bought another gun this morning.

[magillapd]

Well. I think this is just begining. Stay armed and alert.

This president would say a banana is a loaf of bread & tell us we need to do more about gun control.

I'm so.....I'm just....I don't even think there are words to describe how I feel. Betrayed is close.

I was waiting for them to tell us that the guns were from fast & fourious.

Silent Majority....please wake up and let your voice be heard before our nation IS once & forever "fundamentally changed"

[Feed&Guns]

If only the liberals REALLY knew about gun availability they'd crap themselves.

We are a Class 3 dealer and I've had at least a dozen people come in our store and tell me silencers were illegal. Uh, ya. That's why they're in my display case with a price tag.

I also had a "kid" (looked under 21) ask me for a "HK MP5K". I said, are you really interested in buying one? He said yes. So I decided to look to see if they had a semi auto version. Apparently all the MP5s are full auto only in current production. I might be wrong, but that was according to HKs website. So I told him "no". But if he found one on Gunbroker I'd be happy to transfer it. And if he found a transferrable full auto, I could handle that too...if he had the (probably) $15,000 to buy it. But how do I know he didn't just sell his internet company for $100mm?

So, here's the irony for the left:

These "assault weapons" are just semi auto rifles. They are similar to semi-auto shotguns or semi-auto hunting rifles, just with more ammo typically. They are not full auto like you'd like us to believe. So, you're an idiot for calling them "assault weapons".

BUT, (once they accept that) basically anyone who can buy a 22LR for $250 is also qualified (barring state restrictions) to buy a TRUE ASSAULT WEAPON. They can buy the transferrable full auto M16 for $18,000 and a 4 month wait. I don't believe there is any extra scrutiny past what NICS would pop. I might be wrong.

AND, with that "non-assault weapon" that they are really using, the left would crap if they knew that a novice machinist could make that $500 cheapy AR into a full auto "assault weapon" in about an hour and with a few dollars worth of bar stock.

Background checks: we basically do have universal background checks. every pawn shop and ffl has to use it. sure there is the "gunshow loophole" and Armslist. But people who are intent on committing crimes are not going to be deterred by this. That's just insanity. Criminalizing cocaine hasn't exactly kept it out of the hand of criminals and movie stars, has it?

Finally, if taking guns away to end gun violence worked, then why not use the same mentality on a national level. Surely if we just disarmed and disbanded our military, it would make us safer as a nation. Fewer arms = greater safety, right? Duh. Strong military = better national defense. Armed citizen = better personal defense.

Of course, these are the same people who run up the national credit card, max it out, and then ask for a credit line increase. No normal consumer could get away with that. That's government logic for you.

[baldeagle]

Just so everyone knows, I am presently working on the spreadsheet. I have added a column for the number of the shooters and a column for the type of event. I'm also adding links to more descriptive information about the shootings.

I only have five done so far, because it's a lot of work. When I'm done, I will post the spreadsheet to my blog and include the link so anyone can download it or reference it.

Here's what I have so far:

Dead Injured Shooters Location Type of Event
0 5 2 Memphis, TN Bar fight
1 4 1 Savannah, GA Domestic Violence
3 1 1 Dallas, TX Not reported - neighbor dispute? Drug related?
2 4 2 Roanoke, VA Drug related
1 3 2 Miami, FL High crime area - drug related?
1 3 1 Chattanooga, TN Gang related

As you can see, none of these meet the common understanding of mass shootings.

[Bitter Clinger]

I responded a little differently than the authorities: I went out and bought another gun this morning.

Amen Brother. You are truly a role model!

[powerboatr]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/am-shock- ... 14943.html

"The suspects "had 1,400 .223 caliber rounds and 200 9 mm rounds on their person," Burguan said.

Farook and Malik were reportedly armed with four guns: two semiautomatic handguns and two .223-caliber assault rifles, all of which were purchased legally, according to Burguan.

When police searched the suspects' home, they found "several hundred” .22 long rifle rounds, "12 pipe bomb-type devices" in the garage, "hundreds of tools, many of which could be used to construct IEDs or pipe bombs," 2,000 9mm rounds, and 2,500 .223 rounds of ammunition. "

Yep, sounds like run of the mill work place violence to me.

not to make light of the situation, but i cant even get 22lr rounds to go target shooting, in more than a 50 rnd box.

from a cost point. these two had tons of resources outlaid in ammunition and bombs stuffs, why did they go silent for for almost 4 hrs... it could have been very worse if they had walked into the nearby school or mall.
something is not adding up with the amount of ammunition on them and at their home, what was the next play? did they get spooked or chicken out?

[RHenriksen]

not to make light of the situation, but i cant even get 22lr rounds to go target shooting, in more than a 50 rnd box.

from a cost point. these two had tons of resources outlaid in ammunition and bombs stuffs, why did they go silent for for almost 4 hrs... it could have been very worse if they had walked into the nearby school or mall.
something is not adding up with the amount of ammunition on them and at their home, what was the next play? did they get spooked or chicken out?

Perhaps their most important function was to upload the video from their GoPro cameras for jihadi propaganda

[Pariah3j]

There has been speculation that they were planning something bigger but something went down at the Christmas party so I guess they decided to up the timeline and target the people at the party. Now that was last night when I heard that on FOX so take with alot of salt and for what its worth - but if you think about it, at this point with what we know, it makes a bit of sense.

[longhorn86]

I responded a little differently than the authorities: I went out and bought another gun this morning.

As did I.

Gave me the excuse to pull the trigger on a new XDM 9mm compact I've been eyeing before the pricing gouging silliness commences..

[FastCarry]

loaded my spare mags that i usually keep empty last night, my bug comes back from repair tomorrow also

[VMI77]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/am-shock- ... 14943.html

"The suspects "had 1,400 .223 caliber rounds and 200 9 mm rounds on their person," Burguan said.

Farook and Malik were reportedly armed with four guns: two semiautomatic handguns and two .223-caliber assault rifles, all of which were purchased legally, according to Burguan.

When police searched the suspects' home, they found "several hundred” .22 long rifle rounds, "12 pipe bomb-type devices" in the garage, "hundreds of tools, many of which could be used to construct IEDs or pipe bombs," 2,000 9mm rounds, and 2,500 .223 rounds of ammunition. "

Yep, sounds like run of the mill work place violence to me.

not to make light of the situation, but i cant even get 22lr rounds to go target shooting, in more than a 50 rnd box.

from a cost point. these two had tons of resources outlaid in ammunition and bombs stuffs, why did they go silent for for almost 4 hrs... it could have been very worse if they had walked into the nearby school or mall.
something is not adding up with the amount of ammunition on them and at their home, what was the next play? did they get spooked or chicken out?

I was at Academy this morning and they had all kinds of 22 LR...mostly in 50 and 100 round boxes, but also in 330 and 500 round bricks. I even picked up some 22 Mag...got the last four boxes.

[VMI77]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/am-shock- ... 14943.html

"The suspects "had 1,400 .223 caliber rounds and 200 9 mm rounds on their person," Burguan said.

Farook and Malik were reportedly armed with four guns: two semiautomatic handguns and two .223-caliber assault rifles, all of which were purchased legally, according to Burguan.

When police searched the suspects' home, they found "several hundred” .22 long rifle rounds, "12 pipe bomb-type devices" in the garage, "hundreds of tools, many of which could be used to construct IEDs or pipe bombs," 2,000 9mm rounds, and 2,500 .223 rounds of ammunition. "

Yep, sounds like run of the mill work place violence to me.

not to make light of the situation, but i cant even get 22lr rounds to go target shooting, in more than a 50 rnd box.

from a cost point. these two had tons of resources outlaid in ammunition and bombs stuffs, why did they go silent for for almost 4 hrs... it could have been very worse if they had walked into the nearby school or mall.
something is not adding up with the amount of ammunition on them and at their home, what was the next play? did they get spooked or chicken out?

Supposedly witnesses saw six "ME looking" men leaving the residence of the terrorists before the attack. Maybe they were going to rendezvous with some or all of those guys but things got too hot and the guys didn't show up. Not too smart to be in the same vehicle 4 hours after it was identified by witnesses either. BTW, "several hundred rounds" of 22 could be typical media/police exaggeration for a single Winchester 330 round box.

[SewTexas]

Just so everyone knows, I am presently working on the spreadsheet. I have added a column for the number of the shooters and a column for the type of event. I'm also adding links to more descriptive information about the shootings.

I only have five done so far, because it's a lot of work. When I'm done, I will post the spreadsheet to my blog and include the link so anyone can download it or reference it.

Here's what I have so far:

Dead Injured Shooters Location Type of Event
0 5 2 Memphis, TN Bar fight
1 4 1 Savannah, GA Domestic Violence
3 1 1 Dallas, TX Not reported - neighbor dispute? Drug related?
2 4 2 Roanoke, VA Drug related
1 3 2 Miami, FL High crime area - drug related?
1 3 1 Chattanooga, TN Gang related

As you can see, none of these meet the common understanding of mass shootings.

this will be interesting when you are finished. let me know, I'll link to it on my little blog.

[baldeagle]

I have now finished the first 30 "mass shootings" in the list. Here's the list of the Types of Events
Bar fight
Domestic Violence
Not reported - neighbor dispute? Drug related?
Drug related
High crime area - drug related?
Gang related
"targeted shooting"
Gang related
targeted - mother, landlord, boss?
Hip hop violence
illegal liquor house
Home invasion
Argument at a party
Bar fight
Bar fight
Argument at a party
Car wash brawl
Not reported - neighbor dispute? Drug related?
Argument at a party - gang related
Argument at a party - gang related
Domestic Violence
Unknown
Home invasion
Domestic Violence
Domestic Violence
Bar fight
Domestic Violence
Gang related
Gang related

Clearly none of the 30 are mass shootings, as those are commonly understood.