The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Attacks 30.06 Law

[EEllis]

Oh I agree. I don't think it's likely either. My point is that such a movement, even if it fails will serve to raise awareness of the worthlessness of the "gunbuster" signs which would then come down in favor of a valid 30.06 sign and once it reaches a point where those signs are all too common it's gonna hurt.

Personally I'm not looking to get over because someone is ignorant about 30.06. If I know they are serious then I won't go in regardless of the legality because why in the heck should I give them my business? I'd rather know for sure and have them make their intent clear. I can't think of a single business that I don't have other options besides the one location. Not to mention I also have enough respect for private property to follow the owners wishes on their policies. These nutjobs aside this is Texas. Sure there may be a few nutty locals and some out of state owners who post 30.06 but most just won't because they couldn't care less and won't alienate people who are trying to spend money in their business. When CHL was new? Maybe, but now, people just are not concerned since all the hysterical doomsday predictions have all been shown to be false. The whole "Don't tell them or they may put up a sign we have to follow" thing is pretty annoying and I will not be going along with it no matter how many times someone posts it.

[TVGuy]

What's amazing to me is how many people are so irritated about it that have never even been to Texas!

[sjfcontrol]

What's amazing to me is how many people are so irritated about it that have never even been to Texas!

LIV (Low Information Voters)

[TexasCajun]

As I stated in another post, I haven’t seen a comment yet that seems to come from someone above a high school level. If this is typical of the people we are up against, I don’t think we need to worry.

Had the last election resulted differently I'd be inclined to agree. We've already made the mistake of underestimating the power of the left to motivate the uninformed. Doing so again would put the blame for further regression on our shoulders.

[Jim Beaux]

As I stated in another post, I haven’t seen a comment yet that seems to come from someone above a high school level. If this is typical of the people we are up against, I don’t think we need to worry.

Had the last election resulted differently I'd be inclined to agree. We've already made the mistake of underestimating the power of the left to motivate the uninformed. Doing so again would put the blame for further regression on our shoulders.

A mob doesnt have many scholars within its ranks.

[tacticool]

There have been a lot of posts here, and in other forums, saying businesses intentionally post non-compliant signs because they don't want to ban guns. They do it to make the antis feel warm and fuzzy. I reckon now we may find out if they're right.

[Charles L. Cotton]

There is a concerted effort to repeal or grossly water down TPC §30.06. Will it be successful? No, it won't but we'll burn political capital to defeat it. It does increase the chance that some will demand that any open-carry bill amend TPC §30.06 to include open-carry and that will be the end of the bill.

To those who still argue that in-your-face open-carry tactics are not harmful to gun rights overall, I give you Exhibit A. Prior to demonstrations with long guns, 30.06 wasn't even on the radar. Now, even though we will be able to preserve TPC §30.06 there likely will be more businesses posting 30.06 signs because they are more aware of the terms of TPC §30.06.

Some claim they won't enter a store if any "no guns" signs are posted and that's a personal choice. I will follow the law. I will also give the business owner the benefit of the doubt as some percentage of generic "no guns" sings are posted knowing they do not prohibit CHLs from carrying.

Chas.

[CoffeeNut]

The comments...

We really need to fix our education system. Clearly lots of children have been left very far behind.

[mojo84]

They blocked me from being able to comment and removed all my comments. I didn't do anything other than post links to factual data that refute their emotional hyperbole.

[K.Mooneyham]

And just for giggles, I again went through quite a few folks on that posting...and I still can't find any of them who have a problem with PC 30.06 that actually live in the State of Texas.

[VoiceofReason]

“gun-control shrill” that term sure fits that crowd. viewtopic.php?f=94&t=73480" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[esxmarkc]

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To those who still argue that in-your-face open-carry tactics are not harmful to gun rights overall, I give you Exhibit A. Prior to demonstrations with long guns, 30.06 wasn't even on the radar. Now, even though we will be able to preserve TPC §30.06 there likely will be more businesses posting 30.06 signs because they are more aware of the terms of TPC §30.06.

Some claim they won't enter a store if any "no guns" signs are posted and that's a personal choice. I will follow the law. I will also give the business owner the benefit of the doubt as some percentage of generic "no guns" sings are posted knowing they do not prohibit CHLs from carrying.

Chas.

But it may not always be that simple. I work in one of three office buildings owned by a company in California and managed locally. One Christmas season about 3 years ago, an individual bought a surplus AK47 clone for his brother as a Christmas gift. Not wanting to leave it in his car in the parking lot, he chose to carry into the building to his office to keep it secure form the rash of auto burglaries that had plagued the area.. It doesn't matter that he was dressed in business attire and not carrying it in any form of threatening manor it still triggered a MWAG 911 call. By whatever chain of events that then followed, the out of state liability insuring agent instructed the California-based owner to order the local management company to post valid 30.06 signs on the buildings. It doesn't matter if they have no impact or bearing on an individual open carrying a rifle into the building that originally triggered this cascade of buffoonery.

Now all three buildings that sit side-by-side there on the beltway are clearly posted. And within those buildings are many businesses including a drug testing facility for pre-employment, a workforce group, many business that employ individuals such as myself and several other places where people who are visiting have no choice go elsewhere - they must disarm to abide by the law and that's it.

It doesn't matter if some of the business owners in the buildings want or don't want the signs. Moving your business whether it occupies a single suite or an entire floor is a painful expense for the business.

You have to understand that all it has to to is finally reach that "critical mass" where your constantly finding yourself disarming a couple times a day in order to go about your daily business. Then of course is the follow-on issue of thieves figuring out that parking lots of 30.06 posted business are ripe for the picking. Remember how great it was that Hospitals required the 30.06 posting to actually affect CHL carriers? In the 4+ years I have been carrying enough of the hospitals have caught on that it has reached the tipping point so if I know I'm visiting a hospital I'm pretty much prepared to disarm. There are 96 hospitals in the TEXAS3006.COM database alone.

My money says that "Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America" like most other non-CHL holders in the state of Texas haven't a clue what the 30.06 provision is or they would have demanded Target post them up instead of just issuing a statement. Nonetheless, every follow on discussion on every news article about the Target and Starbucks fiasco is ripe with discussion about how 30.06 signs are not on the doors at Target or Starbucks yet. No one seems to have enough self control to stop blurting "Beetlejuice".

How about we stop fanning the flames and let it burn out. Should some group attempt to word up a bill against 30.06 all CHLers need contact their state reps en masse and explain where their vote goes in order to bury it. We are being our own worst enemy on this one. We need to stop educating the antis on what the 30.06 provision is and how to use it or they will eventually find it a powerful tool to beat us over the head with.

[EEllis]

How about we stop fanning the flames and let it burn out. Should some group attempt to word up a bill against 30.06 all CHLers need contact their state reps en masse and explain where their vote goes in order to bury it. We are being our own worst enemy on this one. We need to stop educating the antis on what the 30.06 provision is and how to use it or they will eventually find it a powerful tool to beat us over the head with.

You know what you make choices. I'm with Charles when I say I follow the law. If they don't care enough to figure out the law and how to comply then I tend to think they don't really care if I carry. Aside from being verbally told they don't want CHL's on property the only way I can be sure is that they do post the 30.06. If I find it to frustrating to visit or work someplace then I don't. That a business owner is stupid or make an irrational choice doesn't keep it from being their choice and I would hope someone on my property would respect the choices I make for that property the same way I do others property. If it bothers so many of the tenants then a mass notice that they would not renew leases would probably change some minds and if that doesn't happen then it isn't that big of an issue. I don't think ignorance is ever a positive thing in the long run and I wont advocate or agree with any attitude that thinks it is. I do think we shoot our selves in the foot as you could say but trying to get over on people is just another way of doing so in my opinion. I've stated my piece tho so I wont belabor the point anymore.

[VoiceofReason]

Why worry about those people? What they post means absolutely nothing. As someone pointed out, most are not citizens of Texas and can’t do anything about Texas laws. All they can do is sit at the computer and demonstrate their ignorance and stupididty.

I still believe they have just a few posting under many names and identities.

[pistola]

I clicked the link and didnt see them attacking the 30.06 law. I saw them attacking people barracks lawyering what the definition of is is.