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Scott in Houston wrote:Well, here's more to support my concern.

http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-l ... -kill-him/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That sentiment is growing and spreading via twitter and Facebook rapidly.
As you said Jim, I too have some friends who will not even consider new evidence, and I consider them level-headed people (or I used to anyway).

As for riots... be prepared...

http://twitchy.com/2012/04/12/twitter-l ... acquitted/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think he'll be acquitted. I believe everyone in a large city should be on high alert. I will not have family in town the day of the verdict. I plan to speak to the neighbors about this as well. If there's a true riot, we'll have to work together to protect ourselves.

What's of note is that the threats violate Twitter rules, and one of the posters even goes by "klllzimmerman," yet Twitter doesn't seem to mind. Tells you who's running Twitter.
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mamabearCali wrote:I don't live in a city, but I do worry about people being stupid. My husband has to travel to one everyday. It is two blocks between him and his parking space and he is not allowed to carry at work, so the gun must stay in the car--fat lot of good that will do him if he is jumped 30 feet from it. He does carry pepper spray and a pocket knife, but against a mob? This is a nightmare and I blame two people Sharpton and Jackson. On their heads be the blood of any that are killed because of all the racist nonsense going on here.

You're blaming the wrong people....well, maybe not the wrong people, but you're not blaming the right people.....the people who are legally and morally responsible and who have sworn to uphold the law, yet have not only failed in their duty, but deliberately sowed division and disharmony and facilitated murder: Obama and Holder.
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VMI77 wrote:
mamabearCali wrote:I don't live in a city, but I do worry about people being stupid. My husband has to travel to one everyday. It is two blocks between him and his parking space and he is not allowed to carry at work, so the gun must stay in the car--fat lot of good that will do him if he is jumped 30 feet from it. He does carry pepper spray and a pocket knife, but against a mob? This is a nightmare and I blame two people Sharpton and Jackson. On their heads be the blood of any that are killed because of all the racist nonsense going on here.

You're blaming the wrong people....well, maybe not the wrong people, but you're not blaming the right people.....the people who are legally and morally responsible and who have sworn to uphold the law, yet have not only failed in their duty, but deliberately sowed division and disharmony and facilitated murder: Obama and Holder.
I agree, but it won't be Holder that could potentially try to bash my husbands head in. It would be his drones. I do worry about Eiric Holder and as bad as Obummer has been the people he appointed have been far worse. The only way I can see out of this is for Romney to win and some semblence of sense to reenter the white house.
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I don't have any valuable info to add to this thread, I just wanted to thank you folks for starting this. I've been paying very close attention to this shooting (much to the annoyance of my wife) but I hadn't thought about the possibilities of riots should Zimmerman be found not guilty, etc. That possibility is now definitely on the front of my mind.

I was only 9 when the LA riots occurred so I only have vague memories of what happened. In a very weird coincidence, I was actually looking through some pictures of the riots just last night. They were truly terrifying and I was just thankful they didn't happen anywhere close to me. Now, I think back to those pictures and realize that a similar situation could very easily happen around me in the near future.

Thanks again for "flipping that switch" in my mind. :tiphat:

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I think the Zimmerman trial will be put off for as long as possible
Because both the defense and prosecution want to
give it time for cooler heads to prevail. Maybe a year from now or longer
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tommyg wrote:I think the Zimmerman trial will be put off for as long as possible
Because both the defense and prosecution want to
give it time for cooler heads to prevail. Maybe a year from now or longer
I would think the Prosecutor would want to act now while heads aren't cool. She indicted him with 2nd Degree Murder. To get a conviction on that, she'll need a jury that's completely emotional and not logical at all.
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Scott in Houston wrote:
tommyg wrote:I think the Zimmerman trial will be put off for as long as possible
Because both the defense and prosecution want to
give it time for cooler heads to prevail. Maybe a year from now or longer
I would think the Prosecutor would want to act now while heads aren't cool. She indicted him with 2nd Degree Murder. To get a conviction on that, she'll need a jury that's completely emotional and not logical at all.
So, you assume they want a conviction. I think they needed an indictment in order to ease tensions that were reaching a boiling point. Based on the one page thin indictment I am not sure anyone was preparing for a conviction.
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i8godzilla wrote:
Scott in Houston wrote:
tommyg wrote:I think the Zimmerman trial will be put off for as long as possible
Because both the defense and prosecution want to
give it time for cooler heads to prevail. Maybe a year from now or longer
I would think the Prosecutor would want to act now while heads aren't cool. She indicted him with 2nd Degree Murder. To get a conviction on that, she'll need a jury that's completely emotional and not logical at all.
So, you assume they want a conviction. I think they needed an indictment in order to ease tensions that were reaching a boiling point. Based on the one page thin indictment I am not sure anyone was preparing for a conviction.
I assume it because I don't want to believe the alternative. If a prosecutor indicts at this level, with no real intent or ability to prosecute, that's a criminal act IMO. Not that the government is beyond being criminal, but I just have a hard time believing it... denial I guess.
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I have concerns as well. Since the local police allowed Zimmerman to walk, they may not have done an exemplary job of collecting and DOCUMENTING evidence. Zimmerman reportedly had grass stains and moisture on the back of his shirt, and a bloodied nose. Someone should have photographed this, called a paramedic to treat and document it, etc. Evidence works both ways. It can convict you and it can exonerate you. Physical evidence and documentation in the form of photos, if made public during or following the trial, would go a long way to calm the angry mob.

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...good point...one may not like what the evidence proves...but handling the case professionally would have gone a long way towards keeping the rabble-rousers down...
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You all assume having good evidence would have kept Jackson, Sharpton, NBC, and MSNBC from stirring up the pot. The facts wouldn't change anything. It may help Zimmerman in trial, but I am certain we would still be seeing all the anger we are seeing today regardless.

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Scott in Houston wrote:You all assume having good evidence would have kept Jackson, Sharpton, NBC, and MSNBC from stirring up the pot. The facts wouldn't change anything. It may help Zimmerman in trial, but I am certain we would still be seeing all the anger we are seeing today regardless.

...there are interracial shootings every week all over the country...wonder why they picked this one to get fired up about??? In the early stages, nothing was being done, and there were no attempts to inform the parents, much less the public...for starters...in dozens of others...the "heroes" don't even make a peep...
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gdanaher wrote:I have concerns as well. Since the local police allowed Zimmerman to walk, they may not have done an exemplary job of collecting and DOCUMENTING evidence. Zimmerman reportedly had grass stains and moisture on the back of his shirt, and a bloodied nose. Someone should have photographed this, called a paramedic to treat and document it, etc. Evidence works both ways. It can convict you and it can exonerate you. Physical evidence and documentation in the form of photos, if made public during or following the trial, would go a long way to calm the angry mob.
I will bet those photos and/or videos exist; they just are not releasing them and holding them for the trial. They did release one set showing the blood on Zimmerman's head after the 'enhanced' video from the station showed the possibility of a head injury. Any investigation and trial is like a poker game; you have to not tip your hand to anyone and you have to keep a straight face to not let them know you are holding a full house.
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...KeithB's right...I should have said "...nothing was being done to allay their suspicions..."...
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