Hmm, I guess it's kinda like pornography -- you may not know how to define it, but you know it when you see it.pbwalker wrote:Before I answer, just so I understand your post, please expound upon the statement that ""it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown." Maybe I misunderstood.sjfcontrol wrote:Reference?pbwalker wrote:Do you have proof that this was ever an American flag?sjfcontrol wrote:This was a flag. It was flying underneath an unmodified US flag, on a pole outside a home. It was not an image of a flag. And it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown.
Also, you say that "it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown."
Actually it does.
You disagreed with me saying that the Obama flag was not an American flag, saying "By that logic, anything you can possibly do to a flag is perfectly OK, since once you desecrate it, it's no longer an American Flag."
I am saying that if it was never an American flag (which you contend, at one point, it was...reference for that?) then how am I desecrating the American flag. It does matter if it was an American flag at one point, but if it was not, then it's moot. That's why I said it does matter.
Or are you saying that any flag with red and white stripes, and a blue upper left corner is an American flag by default, and it subject to our flag code?
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To me it doesn't matter if its an "official" American Flag that's been modified, or an originally produced flag that is intended to look like a modified American Flag. I would think it would also need to actually be a flag, not an image, or just some product that contains red and white stripes and blue star fields -- such as patriotic bunting. (Although some have had issues with shirts or T's that appear to be made from flags.)
It seemed to me that your argument that Obama flag wasn't an American Flag, was to imply that the Obama flag was not something to be concerned about because it wasn't a real American Flag. Well, of course it's not an "official" American Flag, because that would contain the star field, not a picture of Obama. But if perverting the design of the "Official" flag as they did is OK, then any modification of the flag is OK. How about a flag with the star field replaced with a picture of Mickey Mouse flying at Disney World, or one containing a picture of Tony the Tiger at Kellogg's Headquarters? Perhaps Sea World could come up with a flag with dolphins leaping out of the red stripes? Any of these would obviously NOT be official US Flags, nor would they (most likely) be manufactured from Official Flags. Nevertheless, I personally would find any of those flags offensive as well.