Perry making a presidential run

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mamabearCali wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Rick Perry's mother is not as big of a supporter of him as am I. He's great on almost every issue in my view and this is something I can't say for any other Republican. Yes, I didn't like the HPV vaccine or the Trans Texas Corridor, but those are only two issues. I'd be hard put to find any Republican candidate that didn't differ from my views on a lot more than two issues.

The "dummy" and "idiot" garbage is nothing but Democrat tripe.

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My question would be are those two decisions indicative (as in are there more warning signs) of a politician who believes that the government knows best and "here take this
(vaccine, gov't oversight, etc) I am from the gov't and I say this is good for you." Republicans can be like that too, and that won't help us either in the long run. I don't know if he is like that, that is why I am asking. Or are those decisions the exceptions to how he has led the state of TX.

There are some times that Perry can be a nanny statist. in the 2009 session, there was a bill that was starting to gain some steam that would have made the game of poker legal under certain circumstances. Perry made a statement that he would veto any legislation that expanded gambling. The bill died in calendars. Unfortunately, as this was two years ago I do not have any cites to support. I know it to be true because I had been following the bill.

Regardless of your feelings about gambling and/or poker, the governement should not be banning activities that the only victim is the person who chose to participate. Nor do I believe in a governement that decides what I can and cannot do with my money.

I would absolutely support Perry against Obama, but I would prefer to not see him as the Republican nominee.

ETA: I also take exception to him not signing the parking lot bill. Even thought it will still become law, he should be willing to take a stand on something as important as 2A rights. This to me is like voting "present".
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canvasbck wrote:
ETA: I also take exception to him not signing the parking lot bill. Even thought it will still become law, he should be willing to take a stand on something as important as 2A rights. This to me is like voting "present".
I agree, but if he is indeed planning on running, this is simply posturing. It "helps him" in a couple of ways. It shows that he is not opposed to 2A rights, because he had the option to veto it, but he did not, knowing it would become law even without his signature. It also shows to those who are on the fence about guns that he (whether rightfully so or not) is not a "gun nut", because he did not sign the bill. To those who are all in favor of individual rights, it can be seen that by him not signing it, he may disagree with the fact that it is the government telling business owners what they must allow on their private property.

For those that truly understand what being a politician is, it shows that he does indeed support the 2A, knowing full well the bill will still go into law without his signature, but by not signing it, it opens him up to support from a larger segment.

All of that being said, I am most disappointed by the attitude I see here, and hear from so many people, that they would vote for him simply because he is a republican. So many people only look at which party a person represents, and not what a person does or where they stand. With that mindset, nothing will ever change in this country. The ability to vote straight ticket is probably the 2nd worst idea ever instituted in voting, next to the electoral college.

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Idle thought of the day....

After being Governor of the Great State of Texas, isn't being President something of a demotion? :txflag:

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RottenApple wrote:Idle thought of the day....

After being Governor of the Great State of Texas, isn't being President something of a demotion? :txflag:
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bigred90gt wrote:All of that being said, I am most disappointed by the attitude I see here, and hear from so many people, that they would vote for him simply because he is a republican. So many people only look at which party a person represents, and not what a person does or where they stand. With that mindset, nothing will ever change in this country. The ability to vote straight ticket is probably the 2nd worst idea ever instituted in voting, next to the electoral college.
I do agree with you here. I don't actually vote straight party. When I say:
terryg wrote:But if he gets the elephant's nod, you better believe he will get my vote.
That is because I know (or at this point I am 99% sure that I know) where the other party's candidate will stand on the issues that I care about. It is not meant to imply blind faith in the platform of the Republican party.
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bigred90gt wrote:All of that being said, I am most disappointed by the attitude I see here, and hear from so many people, that they would vote for him simply because he is a republican. So many people only look at which party a person represents, and not what a person does or where they stand. With that mindset, nothing will ever change in this country.
Yep. I'll probably vote for him over a democrat, but if his hypothetical opponent ends up being a "DINO", then I don't know (of course, it'll be Obama next election, but hypothetically...). At the moment, I'm more opposed to big government than I am to either party's idea of what a big government should look like. So after it's not Obama, I could see myself voting Democrat if they're like me in that their view on most topics is "my view is largely irrelevant because that's not the federal government's job".
bigred90gt wrote:The ability to vote straight ticket is probably the 2nd worst idea ever instituted in voting, next to the electoral college.
Since we live in a Democratic Republic rather than a Democracy, the Electoral College doesn't bother me. I'd keep party tickets in 2nd place, though, because 1st place is not switching to a ranked or preferential voting system, or a rated voting system. I really REALLY rEaLlY want to be able to vote for whoever I want to win (even though (s)he might not stand a chance), instead of having to vote for the Lesser of Two Evils just to help ensure that the Greater of Two Evils doesn't come out on top.
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Shooting a dozen more coyotes won't make up for not pushing campus carry.
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Tamie wrote:Shooting a dozen more coyotes won't make up for not pushing campus carry.
Are you saying you won't vote for him because, in your mind, he didn't "push campus carry?"

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I don't think you can find a more 2A friendly potential candidate than Perry, unless it might be Michele Bachmann.

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Keith B wrote:I don't think you can find a more 2A friendly potential candidate than Perry, unless it might be Michele Bachmann.
How about Gary Johnson? Here he is on Tom Gresham's show, about 24 minutes in...

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He didn't pose with his license he thinks there shouldn't be one. Real 2A friendly means "shall not be infringed".

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Gov. Perry is conservative, he believes in the constitution, he is pro 2nd amendment, pro business and plus he's got great hair. What more could you want?
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I'll top you guys off with the most gun-friendly republican there ever was.

Not many on this board will like him since he actually abides by the constitution though.... Just saying.

PS - He's in TX too. :mrgreen:

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Apophis wrote:I'll top you guys off with the most gun-friendly republican there ever was.
Not many on this board will like him since he actually abides by the constitution though.... Just saying.

PS - He's in TX too. :mrgreen:

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I wouldn't be so quick to say he is that gun friendly. And I would pick many others bfore him becuase of this Subject: Rep. Ron Paul opposed to raid on Bin Laden's compound
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I'm sorry Ron Paul is good for a laugh, but if he was in charge 200 years ago we'd still be speaking with a British accent and paying taxes to Kings. He's no President.
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Keith B wrote:And I would pick many others bfore him becuase of this Subject: Rep. Ron Paul opposed to raid on Bin Laden's compound
This is one of two issues that prevent me from truly calling myself a Libertarian. (I don't consider myself Republican or Democrat, either.) Isolationism is a terrible idea from both a moral and practical standpoint. One need look no further than World War II to understand this. If we would have intervened in Europe earlier, we could've helped to end the war alot sooner. Think of all the lives that could have been saved - civilians and soldiers, to say nothing of the Holocaust. Likewise, if we had continued to remain uninvolved (i.e. if the Japanese had never attacked us at Pearl Harbor), Hilter likely would've taken all of Europe. Would he have been able to cross the Atlantic and overrun us here? It's hard to say, but either way, it's a very negative outcome for us - far worse than the price we paid to help end the war.
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