If and When OC Passes, The Best Way to Do It Discussion

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Re: If and When OC Passes, The Best Way to Do It Discussion

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I haven't bothered to read all the way through this thread, so perchance someone has already covered this.....

I think that avoiding the super-ninja-tactical-many-fanged operator look is important while getting the public used to OC. I don't mind this stuff myself, but I know that it will bother some people......people who might react strongly enough to make things unnecessarily unpleasant. That doesn't make them right, but we have to be bigger than their petty prejudices.......for a time. Once the novelty wears off and people are used to it, nobody will care anymore.

What do I mean by this? Well, for instance....
  • If you're normally carrying your 3-gun rig with 29 extra magazines around your waist, looking for all things like the top of a cell-tower, seriously think about reducing your loadout to a couple of extra mags plus what's in your gun.
  • How about avoiding the Han Solo look with the drop-leg holster?
  • How about avoiding festooning your pistol with geegaws and whistles, like leave the light off your gun, and leave the RDS at home.
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Mind you, I am NOT saying there is anything wrong with tacticool. I'm just suggesting that perhaps in the initial months or year of OC, howabout toning things down for a little while? I believe it will pay dividends in the long run. It's called "building good will with a good brand". Leave the ninja stars at home.
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Re: If and When OC Passes, The Best Way to Do It Discussion

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How a person carries a firearm should not be a concern of the general population and should not be mandated by law. What happens if the person somehow injures another person should be of concern to the people and can be mandated by law.

If I have a firearm in my pocket and "ACCIDENTALLY" shoot someone when I stick my hand into my pocket, I am and should be held fully accountable for the alleged "ACCIDENT." There should be mandated repercussions for my stupidity. There should be mandated repercussions for the degree of injury that I have caused. There should be nothing mandating I have to have it in a certain style holster, that should be "common sense" from training and logic.

I think this is where society and lawmakers go wrong. They want to penalize an item and the people that own that item instead of penalizing the act that was commited using the item.
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MeMelYup wrote:How a person carries a firearm should not be a concern of the general population and should not be mandated by law. What happens if the person somehow injures another person should be of concern to the people and can be mandated by law.

If I have a firearm in my pocket and "ACCIDENTALLY" shoot someone when I stick my hand into my pocket, I am and should be held fully accountable for the alleged "ACCIDENT." There should be mandated repercussions for my stupidity. There should be mandated repercussions for the degree of injury that I have caused. There should be nothing mandating I have to have it in a certain style holster, that should be "common sense" from training and logic.

I think this is where society and lawmakers go wrong. They want to penalize an item and the people that own that item instead of penalizing the act that was commited using the item.
I'm not suggesting it should be mandated by law or that we should be penalized for the actions of others. But with regard to the opening post in this thread, I'm just suggesting that we have a choice between creating good will or destroying it, and how we choose to carry will have a strong influence on how we are perceived. It really doesn't matter how WE perceive what we do, if the goal is to make NON-gun owners/carriers comfortable around us when we OC. What matters is how THEY perceive us.

There is a cadre of malcontents who are never going to be happy until they've stomped out every last flame of fun around them. You can't please those folks. They'll never be happy until only government has guns, and they won't mind it if millions of citizens are killed resisting confiscation, because you have to break an egg to make an omelet. The very fact you or I carry, even concealed, is an affront to them. I don't really care about such people, because the only thing that would ever change their mind is to find themselves in a situation where only a gun in their hands can save them, and to not have one.....which means they get eliminated from the gene pool. We'll have the satisfaction of knowing that such a person might experience seconds or minutes of terrified regret at their own stupidity, and then they'll be gone. Tough beans, but oh well.

But I believe that the vast majority of non-gun people are somewhere in the middle ground, and we can make them into allies or enemies—OUR choice. I used to joke that my wife's job title for our business is "Director of First Impressions"....... and that's about as accurate as it gets if we are to be advance ambassadors for OC once it passes. We can either fulfill their prejudices, or we can present a "normal" (but for the presence of the gun) front.

That's why I suggest that toning things down a bit can go a long way to converting doubters into allies. I'm not saying don't OC the gun. I'm saying make it look non-threatening to the uninitiated.
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In many people's world perceptions are their reality. In the same vein, stereotypes are based on fact. I appreciate TAM's comments. They are very valid. Many already have preconceived notions of us based on recent antics and it will take effort to change their stereotyped vision of us as a group.
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anygunanywhere wrote:In many people's world perceptions are their reality. In the same vein, stereotypes are based on fact. I appreciate TAM's comments. They are very valid. Many already have preconceived notions of us based on recent antics and it will take effort to change their stereotyped vision of us as a group.
I agree with you on the preconceived stereotyping of us gun owners. I see it like this: If you considered different types of anti gunners in shades of red, and pro gunners in shades of blue, most cannot get past the one color they see. An anti gunner may portray people whom they associate guns with, according to the type they see, just like they'd call Iris blue (CHLers), persian blue (OCT crazies), ultramarine blue (mass murders), phthalo blue (cowboys), azure blue (granny's with guns), or any other shade of blue/azule... it seems they all see us as either ultramarine or persian blue, but it's all blue to them, unless we can change that image in their mind to something else, like a granny defending herself from thugs, or a mother fighting off a grizzly with a .44mag.

I might be rambling, but darn it! I'm Chartreuse! NOT just blue! :mrgreen:

I wanted to post this, because it sounded good when I explained to somebody earlier today, how people associate "people with guns" as one big group, and they're all the same in some peoples eyes, even though there are different groups with extreme differences. You can't say you can Identify Chartreuse as Cobalt blue, could you?
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The Annoyed Man wrote:NOT THIS:
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No worries. He/she/it's got it too low anyway... I don't want to have to bend over to get my gun. :mrgreen:
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As I mentioned in my first post I thing women OCing will advance the approval and acceptance of OC more than us guys doing it. The sight of confident women carrying arms will convince a lot of the fence sitters among the women to see that exercising their right to self defense is a positive thing. Have any of the brothers here talked about this with your better halves? Thoughts?
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anygunanywhere wrote:As I mentioned in my first post I thing women OCing will advance the approval and acceptance of OC more than us guys doing it. The sight of confident women carrying arms will convince a lot of the fence sitters among the women to see that exercising their right to self defense is a positive thing. Have any of the brothers here talked about this with your better halves? Thoughts?
Personally, I prefer my wife to carry concealed. I see no upside to her OC.
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anygunanywhere wrote:As I mentioned in my first post I thing women OCing will advance the approval and acceptance of OC more than us guys doing it. The sight of confident women carrying arms will convince a lot of the fence sitters among the women to see that exercising their right to self defense is a positive thing. Have any of the brothers here talked about this with your better halves? Thoughts?
My wife just now told me in response to this question that she would probably OC some of the time, but conceal the rest of the time. She carries all the time anyway, but for her it is just like it is for a lot of us—OC is an added convenience, but might not become her primary means of carry.

When I asked her the following: "If, after OC'ing for a little while, you realized that it was more convenient and just easier for you, would still mostly conceal, or would you start OC'ing all the time?" her answer was, "Yeah, I would probably just OC all the time."

She is a 56...... er, I mean 36 yr old who dresses somewhat conservatively, smiles a lot, and has a trim and no-nonsense kind of bearing.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:As I mentioned in my first post I thing women OCing will advance the approval and acceptance of OC more than us guys doing it. The sight of confident women carrying arms will convince a lot of the fence sitters among the women to see that exercising their right to self defense is a positive thing. Have any of the brothers here talked about this with your better halves? Thoughts?
My wife just now told me in response to this question that she would probably OC some of the time, but conceal the rest of the time. She carries all the time anyway, but for her it is just like it is for a lot of us—OC is an added convenience, but might not become her primary means of carry.

When I asked her the following: "If, after OC'ing for a little while, you realized that it was more convenient and just easier for you, would still mostly conceal, or would you start OC'ing all the time?" her answer was, "Yeah, I would probably just OC all the time."

She is a 56...... er, I mean 36 yr old who dresses somewhat conservatively, smiles a lot, and has a trim and no-nonsense kind of bearing.
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Recently we went to a local music venue. Mrs Anygun was looking her usual best. One of the ladies seated down from me asked if she was my daughter. The look on her face when I told her Mrs Anygun is older than me was priceless.

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I'm a young "clean cut" guy but outside of work I wear whatever I want. When I have open carried I didn't change up my attire, jeans and a t-shirt, and if I choose to do so when Texas passes OC I don't plan to change my attire for it either. I could throw on some nice khakis and a button down but I shouldn't have to throw off the "cop" vibe to do something that is legal. The point of open carry for many is the convenience it offers but it stops being convenient if I have to run inside to put a tie on so I can persuade people that it's OK for me to have this thing on my hip. I can project that I'm a good guy by carrying on like normal and throwing smiles at people who are looking at me quizzically.

As for actual carrying of the firearm I plan to get a nice leather holster with a thumb snap for the times I want to OC. I don't plan to carry in heavily populated areas so I don't think I need 4 gizmos on my holster to protect it from being snatched. I'm also a little vain in the sense that if I'm going to open carry I don't want other gun owners to see my holster and think "is he really carrying a Sig in that"? :lol::
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CoffeeNut wrote:I'm a young "clean cut" guy but outside of work I wear whatever I want. When I have open carried I didn't change up my attire, jeans and a t-shirt, and if I choose to do so when Texas passes OC I don't plan to change my attire for it either. I could throw on some nice khakis and a button down but I shouldn't have to throw off the "cop" vibe to do something that is legal. The point of open carry for many is the convenience it offers but it stops being convenient if I have to run inside to put a tie on so I can persuade people that it's OK for me to have this thing on my hip. I can project that I'm a good guy by carrying on like normal and throwing smiles at people who are looking at me quizzically.

As for actual carrying of the firearm I plan to get a nice leather holster with a thumb snap for the times I want to OC. I don't plan to carry in heavily populated areas so I don't think I need 4 gizmos on my holster to protect it from being snatched. I'm also a little vain in the sense that if I'm going to open carry I don't want other gun owners to see my holster and think "is he really carrying a Sig in that"? :lol::
I don't think jeans and a t-shirt are a problem, and I DO think that a nice holster is an improvement on things.

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that's a nice holster
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Your mag pouch needs some ostrich accent too.

Nice setup there TAM.
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patterson wrote:that's a nice holster
It's a nice everything
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