Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

[mamabearCali]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Can't think of many restaurants that would think this is a good idea.
Sorry but keep businesses out of it. It just makes everyone look stupid and is a direct feed to the MotherJones types.

Businesses aren't discriminating. The law is what you're protesting against so protest appropriately.

There are some businesses here in VA that disagree and have been glad to get $$ from us OCers. One Denny's in the west end likes having between 10-30 OCers every Saturday to count on for breakfast.

[jmra]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Can't think of many restaurants that would think this is a good idea.
Sorry but keep businesses out of it. It just makes everyone look stupid and is a direct feed to the MotherJones types.

Businesses aren't discriminating. The law is what you're protesting against so protest appropriately.

There are some businesses here in VA that disagree and have been glad to get $$ from us OCers. One Denny's in the west end likes having between 10-30 OCers every Saturday to count on for breakfast.

Are they OCing long guns or handguns?

[mamabearCali]

Both.

[92f-fan]

I dont have a stand on Open Carry to share
other than to say that if I saw anyone with a rifle in a restaurant I would go elsewhere to eat

dont need that kind of drama while Im trying to get some food ...

Im willing to bet that more than 50% likely more than 90% of the population would agree with me - which means Open carry is tantamount to a Strike line. It will bring a business to its knees since customers go elsewhere

[chamberc]

These guys have made me question that.

While I disagree with their tactics, if you're questioning their right, I suggest you go back and read the 2nd amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It is perfectly clear on the matter, and that should reverse any questions you have.

[mamabearCali]

It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.

If the reach outs have been anywhere near as diplomatic as these forums have been then I am not surprised they told people to stuff it. I might too if I was being called names.

Any of y'all ever come home with a piece of fruit that had those irritating fruit flies in it. They are too numerous and too small to effectively swat. How do you get rid of them? Do you spray the whole kitchen with raid or do you set out a trap with something sweet (we usually use a banana). They are not going to sit down and shut up. So if you want ameliorate their influence and negative effects you are going to have to dialog with them. If you don't like my suggestions, come up with your own. Sit down and shut up is obviously not going to work. Give them a little of what they want (OC dinners and rallies) and get what you can back (no more OC of long guns in Walmart and Taco Cabana).

[jmra]

It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.

If the reach outs have been anywhere near as diplomatic as these forums have been then I am not surprised they told people to stuff it. I might too if I was being called names.

Any of y'all ever come home with a piece of fruit that had those irritating fruit flies in it. They are too numerous and too small to effectively swat. How do you get rid of them? Do you spray the whole kitchen with raid or do you set out a trap with something sweet (we usually use a banana). They are not going to sit down and shut up. So if you want ameliorate their influence and negative effects you are going to have to dialog with them. If you don't like my suggestions, come up with your own. Sit down and shut up is obviously not going to work. Give them a little of what they want (OC dinners and rallies) and get what you can back (no more OC of long guns in Walmart and Taco Cabana).

[Cedar Park Dad]

These guys have made me question that.

While I disagree with their tactics, if you're questioning their right, I suggest you go back and read the 2nd amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It is perfectly clear on the matter, and that should reverse any questions you have.

Thats sweet but you can't OC pistols now. That may change for long guns presently if this keeps up.

[jmra]

It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.

If the reach outs have been anywhere near as diplomatic as these forums have been then I am not surprised they told people to stuff it. I might too if I was being called names.

Just out of curiosity, have you read Mr. Cotton' posts on this subject? Do you believe he lacks diplomacy? CJ Grisham told the local news station that Mr. Cotton just doesn't get it. Does that sound like someone willing to sit down at the table? Have you been to OCTs FB page? Does that look like people interested in sitting down at the table? Do you think Mr. Cotton doesn't get it? Do you really think that Alice and Chas have not been on top of this issue? That they along with many other members of this forum who seek to pass pro gun laws in the state of Texas haven't done everything within their means to bring unity to the cause? With as much that is at stake do you really believe a stone has been left unturned in the fight to pass 2A bills in the state of Texas? Do you really believe that people who have dedicated their lives to this cause and have developed proven strategies in passing pro 2A laws in the state of Texas are somehow less intuitive than you on how to deal with the OCers? Just curious.

ETA: if you haven't read Mr. Cotton's posts, here is a direct quote:
"The sad truth is OCT's goal isn't so much about passing open-carry as to be praised for its efforts, even when they lessen the chance of passing open-carry in Texas. It's the classic "look at me" rather than "look at the issue" approach that dooms many political advocacy groups."

Does that sound like a group that is willing to sit down and talk?

[jmra]

NRAs take on the subject:

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/artic ... -role.aspx
The second example comes to us from the Lone Star State, which is second to none for its robust gun culture. We applaud Texans for that, but a small number have recently crossed the line from enthusiasm to downright foolishness.

Now we love AR-15s and AKs as much as anybody, and we know that these sorts of semiautomatic carbines are among the most popular, fastest selling firearms in America today. Texas, independent-minded and liberty-loving place that it is, doesn't ban the carrying of loaded long guns in public, nor does it require a permit for this activity. Yet some so-called firearm advocates seem determined to change this.

Recently, demonstrators have been showing up in various public places, including coffee shops and fast food restaurants, openly toting a variety of tactical long guns. Unlicensed open carry of handguns is legal in about half the U.S. states, and it is relatively common and uncontroversial in some places.

Yet while unlicensed open carry of long guns is also typically legal in most places, it is a rare sight to see someone sidle up next to you in line for lunch with a 7.62 rifle slung across his chest, much less a whole gaggle of folks descending on the same public venue with similar arms.

Let's not mince words, not only is it rare, it's downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself. To those who are not acquainted with the dubious practice of using public displays of firearms as a means to draw attention to oneself or one's cause, it can be downright scary. It makes folks who might normally be perfectly open-minded about firearms feel uncomfortable and question the motives of pro-gun advocates.

As a result of these hijinx, two popular fast food outlets have recently requested patrons to keep guns off the premises (more information can be found here and here). In other words, the freedom and goodwill these businesses had previously extended to gun owners has been curtailed because of the actions of an attention-hungry few who thought only of themselves and not of those who might be affected by their behavior. To state the obvious, that's counterproductive for the gun owning community.

More to the point, it's just not neighborly, which is out of character for the big-hearted residents of Texas. Using guns merely to draw attention to yourself in public not only defies common sense, it shows a lack of consideration and manners. That's not the Texas way. And that's certainly not the NRA way.

In summary, NRA certainly does not support bans on personalized guns or on carrying firearms in public, including in restaurants. We think people are intelligent enough to resolve these issues in a reasonable way for themselves. But when people act without thinking, or without consideration for others – especially when it comes to firearms – they set the stage for further restrictions on our rights. Firearm owners face enough challenges these days; we don't need to be victims of friendly fire.

[jmra]

Both.

Source?

[NavyVet1959]

Off the top of my head, here are a few compromises that constituted huge gains for gun owners.

1. Texas's CHL law: Twenty years ago, one side wanted citizen to be able to carry handguns for personal protection, and the other side wanted to maintain the status quo in which only trained, vetted, commissioned peace officers could carry handguns. The two sides compromised.

2. The federal safe passage law: The Hughes amendment not withstanding, the Firearm Owners Protection Act was a compromise between states that wanted local control over their firearms laws and gun owners who wanted to be able to travel with their guns without risking jail time.

3. Virtually every gun rights bill that has ever passed in Texas or any other state: Whether we're talking about the passage of PC 30.06 (a compromise between gun rights and property rights), negotiations over the parking lot bill (certain influential groups were granted limited exceptions in order to ensure passage of the bill), or changing "fails to conceal" to "intentionally displays" in 46.035(a) (it's not open carry, but it does address the issue of unintentional display), most gun rights wins involve some form of compromise.

In my humble opinion, one of the more pervasive threats to the gun rights movement is the all-or-nothing mentality promoted by some of the more fanatical factions of the movement (e.g., the open carry advocates who, in complete disregard for the realities of Texas politics, are antagonistic toward efforts to pass anything less than unlicensed open carry). It's rare to see a controversial bill pass without at least a few concessions, and nothing is gained by watching a perfect bill die.

Those "compromises" were our taking back some of the rights that we had lost from either previous compromises or just leftovers from the Yankee Imperialistic Occupation after the War of Northern Aggression. Even with them, we're not back to where we were with what the Founding Fathers intended. We need to put the leftists on the defensive for a change instead of just slowly giving up more and more of our 2nd Amendment guaranteed rights.

"The secret to successful negotiation is to ask for the world, but settle for New Jersey."

[SewTexas]

Both.

Source?

? what do you mean?

[jmra]

Both.

Source?

? what do you mean?

I was asking for a source to support her claim that VA businesses invite OC of both long guns and handguns in their establishments.

Her quote, "One Denny's in the west end likes having between 10-30 OCers every Saturday to count on for breakfast". I found this odd as Denny's has a corporate "no guns" policy.

[MeMelYup]

Both.

Source?

? what do you mean?

I was asking for a source to support her claim that VA businesses invite OC of both long guns and handguns in their establishments.

Her quote, "One Denny's in the west end likes having between 10-30 OCers every Saturday to count on for breakfast". I found this odd as Denny's has a corporate "no guns" policy.

Walmart has a corporate no guns policy, but for customers it's State law.