It is getting weird!

[anygunanywhere]

I wonder what generation is responsible for these complete morons?

Ultimately? Themselves.

I'm part of the current "moron generation," but never paid my membership dues. It's possible to break out of the stifling fog of stupidity, but they've got to realize they're stupid first, and be willing to go looking for information.

Too many would rather watch Who wants to Dance with a Millionaire, or do that twerping whatever thing it is my generation and younger do these days. I dunno; I chose to be an old man about such things before I was 20.

Let 'em sleep in the bed they make, and I'll turn down my own sheets, too.

One thing you can be sure of, it makes it much easier for someone such as yourself who doesn't mind earning respect rather than demanding it to get ahead in life. I am amazed at the level of selfish, gets minze I witness from the 20-27 age range walking in my door acting like they deserve a job and top pay. Simply because they "need it" to pay their bills. In the old days, folks would come into a job interview and tell you what they have to offer as a benefit to the company. I am not kidding, the first words out of their mouths is often, how much do you pay or what kind of vacation time do you offer.

Them: "Tell me about your benefits and retirement"

Me: "Next!"

Anygunanywhere

[texanjoker]

When infowars is involved I LOL

[03Lightningrocks]

I wonder what generation is responsible for these complete morons?

Ultimately? Themselves.

I'm part of the current "moron generation," but never paid my membership dues. It's possible to break out of the stifling fog of stupidity, but they've got to realize they're stupid first, and be willing to go looking for information.

Too many would rather watch Who wants to Dance with a Millionaire, or do that twerping whatever thing it is my generation and younger do these days. I dunno; I chose to be an old man about such things before I was 20.

Let 'em sleep in the bed they make, and I'll turn down my own sheets, too.

One thing you can be sure of, it makes it much easier for someone such as yourself who doesn't mind earning respect rather than demanding it to get ahead in life. I am amazed at the level of selfish, gets minze I witness from the 20-27 age range walking in my door acting like they deserve a job and top pay. Simply because they "need it" to pay their bills. In the old days, folks would come into a job interview and tell you what they have to offer as a benefit to the company. I am not kidding, the first words out of their mouths is often, how much do you pay or what kind of vacation time do you offer.

Them: "Tell me about your benefits and retirement"

Me: "Next!"

Anygunanywhere

Yep... that is about how it works.

[VoiceofReason]

I wonder what generation is responsible for these complete morons?

Ultimately? Themselves.

I'm part of the current "moron generation," but never paid my membership dues. It's possible to break out of the stifling fog of stupidity, but they've got to realize they're stupid first, and be willing to go looking for information.

Too many would rather watch Who wants to Dance with a Millionaire, or do that twerping whatever thing it is my generation and younger do these days. I dunno; I chose to be an old man about such things before I was 20.

Let 'em sleep in the bed they make, and I'll turn down my own sheets, too.

One thing you can be sure of, it makes it much easier for someone such as yourself who doesn't mind earning respect rather than demanding it to get ahead in life. I am amazed at the level of selfish, gets minze I witness from the 20-27 age range walking in my door acting like they deserve a job and top pay. Simply because they "need it" to pay their bills. In the old days, folks would come into a job interview and tell you what they have to offer as a benefit to the company. I am not kidding, the first words out of their mouths is often, how much do you pay or what kind of vacation time do you offer.

And how would you treat the person that is very good at what they do and is looking at other companies because his present employer will not pay him anywhere near what he/she is worth?

Did I set a new record for longest sentence?

[03Lightningrocks]

I wonder what generation is responsible for these complete morons?

Ultimately? Themselves.

I'm part of the current "moron generation," but never paid my membership dues. It's possible to break out of the stifling fog of stupidity, but they've got to realize they're stupid first, and be willing to go looking for information.

Too many would rather watch Who wants to Dance with a Millionaire, or do that twerping whatever thing it is my generation and younger do these days. I dunno; I chose to be an old man about such things before I was 20.

Let 'em sleep in the bed they make, and I'll turn down my own sheets, too.

One thing you can be sure of, it makes it much easier for someone such as yourself who doesn't mind earning respect rather than demanding it to get ahead in life. I am amazed at the level of selfish, gets minze I witness from the 20-27 age range walking in my door acting like they deserve a job and top pay. Simply because they "need it" to pay their bills. In the old days, folks would come into a job interview and tell you what they have to offer as a benefit to the company. I am not kidding, the first words out of their mouths is often, how much do you pay or what kind of vacation time do you offer.

And how would you treat the person that is very good at what they do and is looking at other companies because his present employer will not pay him anywhere near what he/she is worth?

Did I set a new record for longest sentence?

Because I am always interested to hear a new justification for having feelings of self entitlement, I would inquire as to why they feel they are underpaid. In the end, I wouldn't hire that person. I am looking for people who want to be part of our team, have something of value to contribute and have a vision of something more than making an extra fifty cents an hour. After thirty years of working with people of every imaginable mindset, there is no person I have less respect for than a quarter chaser. No loyalty.... These types typically over value themselves and are usually the same personality type that likes to "poison the well" when they are feeling the "poor whittle miss tweeted me" syndrome. I have no desire to buy into that mess and take on somebody else's trouble maker.

Now let's try that a different way.

A person walks into my office and tells me they are wanting to advance their career in the HVAC industry and the place they are working at does not offer this opportunity. It may be a person who wants to advance from install helper to lead. Maybe they want to advance from lead installer into service. I want this person. Obviously this person is wanting to make more money but the presentation was that they are wanting to make themselves more valuable to get more money. I would inquire as to why they feel the company they are working for does not offer advancement. That can go in many directions, depending on the response. One thing I cannot stomach is a person who feels entitled. I have great respect for a person who wants to improve their skill sets and make themselves more valuable.

[cb1000rider]

And how would you treat the person that is very good at what they do and is looking at other companies because his present employer will not pay him anywhere near what he/she is worth?

This is a pretty common problem in my industry. Engineers market value in my industry increases typically by 50% within the first 2-3 years of employment - and that's not including the ones that have special aptitude and talent.

Large companies have compensation policies. You can't grant raises fast enough to keep up with their market value. Small companies often don't have these policies, but in my experience, most don't address then issue unless they are forced to do so... And I've had discussions with CEOs about being more "proactive" about their market value. It's really in the best interest of the company, in terms of operational costs, not to address it until an ultimatum.

Is sticking with a company for 10 years that isn't paying what your worth something that you'd advise your kids to do? The opportunity cost of that money, over 10 years - it's huge... Maybe 300k-500k, easily... The other hand of the argument is that these employees feel "entitled". I think they have a right to, if they're not being paid what they are worth.

[mud farmer]

If you pay employees what you think they're worth you never have to worry about them leaving you for an extra dollar. First, any employees who jump ship for more money will be eating into your competition's bottom line because they're overpaid in the new job. Second, you can quickly and easily replace the ones who jump ship because you're paying a fair salary. Third, employees who know they're treated well are happier, more productive, and less trouble.

Whether employers pay market rate or less than market rate, they often get what they pay for. That's a good thing.

[03Lightningrocks]

If you pay employees what you think they're worth you never have to worry about them leaving you for an extra dollar. First, any employees who jump ship for more money will be eating into your competition's bottom line because they're overpaid in the new job. Second, you can quickly and easily replace the ones who jump ship because you're paying a fair salary. Third, employees who know they're treated well are happier, more productive, and less trouble.

Whether employers pay market rate or less than market rate, they often get what they pay for. That's a good thing.

Very true. In the HVAC business, an employees value is pretty easy to figure out. If a service technicians productivity justifies it, heck, I would pay him 200 dollars an hour. Because service techs, installers and even sales personal are easy to keep track of on an individual basis, there is no subjectivity in knowing what their value is other than attitude. A great attitude with zero production will put me in the poor house but typically the great attitude results in great production. Office personal are a different matter.