Which of the 11 American nations do you live in?

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Which of the 11 American nations do you live in?

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Here's an interesting story that I found tonight.
Colin Woodard, a reporter at the Portland Press Herald and author of several books, says North America can be broken neatly into 11 separate nation-states, where dominant cultures explain our voting behaviors and attitudes toward everything from social issues to the role of government.

“The borders of my eleven American nations are reflected in many different types of maps — including maps showing the distribution of linguistic dialects, the spread of cultural artifacts, the prevalence of different religious denominations, and the county-by-county breakdown of voting in virtually every hotly contested presidential race in our history,” Woodard writes in the Fall 2013 issue of Tufts University’s alumni magazine. “Our continent’s famed mobility has been reinforcing, not dissolving, regional differences, as people increasingly sort themselves into like-minded communities.”
He breaks down the US into the following areas:
  • Yankeedom
  • New Netherland
  • The Midlands
  • Tidewater
  • Greater Appalachia
  • Deep South
  • El Norte
  • The Left Coast
  • The Far West
  • New France
  • First Nation
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It's interesting how the author makes sure to address 2nd Amendment issues down near the bottom of the page:
The clashes between the 11 nations play out in every way, from politics to social values. Woodard notes that states with the highest rates of violent deaths are in the Deep South, Tidewater and Greater Appalachia, regions that value independence and self-sufficiency. States with lower rates of violent deaths are in Yankeedom, New Netherland and the Midlands, where government intervention is viewed with less skepticism.

States in the Deep South are much more likely to have stand-your-ground laws than states in the northern “nations.” And more than 95 percent of executions in the United States since 1976 happened in the Deep South, Greater Appalachia, Tidewater and the Far West. States in Yankeedom and New Netherland have executed a collective total of just one person.

That doesn’t bode well for gun control advocates, Woodard concludes: “With such sharp regional differences, the idea that the United States would ever reach consensus on any issue having to do with violence seems far-fetched. The cultural gulf between Appalachia and Yankeedom, Deep South and New Netherland is simply too large. But it’s conceivable that some new alliance could form to tip the balance.”
This article, however, just scratches the surface. It's referencing the actual paper written by another author, and posted in Tufts University magazine:

UP IN ARMS: The Battle Lines of Today's Debates Over Gun Control, Stand-Your-Ground Laws, and Other Violence-Related Issues Were Drawn Centuries Ago by America's Early Settlers

His conclusion is interesting, to say the least:
With such sharp regional differences, the idea that the United States would ever reach consensus on any issue having to do with violence seems far-fetched. The cultural gulf between Appalachia and Yankeedom, Deep South and New Netherland is simply too large. But it’s conceivable that some new alliance could form to tip the balance.

Among the eleven regional cultures, there are two superpowers, nations with the identity, mission, and numbers to shape continental debate: Yankeedom and Deep South. For more than two hundred years, they’ve fought for control of the federal government and, in a sense, the nation’s soul. Over the decades, Deep South has become strongly allied with Greater Appalachia and Tidewater, and more tenuously with the Far West. Their combined agenda—to slash taxes, regulations, social services, and federal powers—is opposed by a Yankee-led bloc that includes New Netherland and the Left Coast. Other nations, especially the Midlands and El Norte, often hold the swing vote, whether in a presidential election or a congressional battle over health care reform. Those swing nations stand to play a decisive role on violence-related issues as well.

For now, the country will remain split on how best to make its citizens safer, with Deep South and its allies bent on deterrence through armament and the threat of capital punishment, and Yankeedom and its allies determined to bring peace through constraints such as gun control. The deadlock will persist until one of these camps modifies its message and policy platform to draw in the swing nations. Only then can that camp seize full control over the levers of federal power—the White House, the House, and a filibuster-proof Senate majority—to force its will on the opposing nations. Until then, expect continuing frustration and division.
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I posted this Tufts article on FaceBook a few days ago. The author actually makes some ethnocultural statements that are true, he just draws some incorrect conclusions from them. Try reading "Black Rednecks & White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. He explains the Scotts/Irish/English migrations in great detail, and their effects on American culture by region, and over a long period of time. It makes a great deal of sense.

However, Collin Woodward takes liberties with the facts.
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I swear I saw unicorns and rainbows jumping from my computer while reading this.
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I am very suspicious of the term "violent death" he's hiding behind that term.


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Created in 2002, the NVDRS is a surveillance system that pulls together data on violent deaths in 18 states (see map below), including information about homicides, such as homicides perpetrated by a intimate partner (e.g., boyfriend, girlfriend, wife, husband), child maltreatment (or child abuse) fatalities, suicides, deaths where individuals are killed by law enforcement in the line of duty, unintentional firearm injury deaths, and deaths of undetermined intent.
So to a liberal everything I bolded is the fault of stand your ground laws. Incredible leaps of logic must be their superpower. Also note more non-yankee states participated in the study
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The guy's map is pretty accurate. His comprehension of violence, gun laws, SYG, etc. are specious. Judging from the article, I get the impression he used the "guns and violence" as a teaser to get people to look at the map. The map is scarily accurate, culturally.
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What's the difference between New Netherlands and Yankeedom? They seem like identical parts of the Shallow North?
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bayouhazard wrote:What's the difference between New Netherlands and Yankeedom? They seem like identical parts of the Shallow North?
New Netherlands: My mother's people are from the Hudson Valley. Before California became the Mecca for bohemians of any stripe, there was the Hudson Valley. The artistic center of our nation has been and remains NYC. Fine Art, Publishing, and Music coupled with big C capitalism and a live and let live attitude. The mélange of cultures from every corner of our world is always on display.
Yankeedom: Think "The Borg" from TNG. Houses are white, barns are red, and churches all use the Book of Common Prayer, or have heavily borrowed from it. The area was settled by 15th century communists and conformity of thought and action are the hallmarks of their society. This the home of the isms.
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This map looks like the Civil War boundaries. One can only hope..

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Dadtodabone wrote:Yankeedom: Think "The Borg" from TNG.
The Borg cube looked like a lot of NYC buildings pushed together.
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