The NSA considers us "adversaries," not citizens

[Strat9mm]

Strat9mm,

It's not the substance of what you have to say, it's your frenetic, Speaker's Corner In Hyde Park London style, I was mildly teasing...

Frenetic?

When it all goes to.. poop, everyone will wish they had been even more 'frenetic' than I have, in demanding more from our leaders instead of a never ending pack of lies.

This administration has not only succeeded in betraying their own constituents, they've succeeded in filling the military leadership with a pack of fools, including that bozo Chuck Hagel, who couldn't fight a decent war if all they had to do was push a button. They'd all refuse. But they have NO problems acting like hypocrites going after anyone under them who shows any contempt for the enemy who despise us, rape, torture and murder our citizens, soldiers, and even their own people. As an example, see what happened to Capt. James Clement. Here's a quote:

"Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel issued a statement Monday supporting Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos following allegations that Amos told subordinates he wanted those involved in the urination video case to be "crushed" at general courts martial."

Allegations? Has ANYONE read the news reports? It wasn't just Gen. Amos, it was others exerting UNDUE command influence in this case. And yet you won't find ANY of those hypocrites brought before a courts martial themselves for it.

Chuck Hagel is a gutless stooge, and those under him seem to have no problems hanging their own men out to dry, instead of DEFENDING them.

Our government doesn't SEEM to be supporting our enemies, they ARE supporting them will billions in BRIBES, er, I meant, 'aid' while they work hard to put our own armed forces at as much disadvantage as possible.

Funny how after all the hubub died down after Chuck took office, that he made the announcement of even more cutbacks to the Military. Talk about a stooge. I'm really hoping it took this administration a ton of work to find someone who would be willing to betray, and castrate our Armed Forces as is being done now.

How about the story of Dakota Meyer (MOH) and Capt. William Swenson, who has NOT received the MOH even though he had already been recommended for it. Perhaps it's because of his (and Dakota's) substantiated complaints as to how their own command support teams REFUSED to send artillery (and other) support which would have saved the lives of the four Americans we lost in that battle, along with numerous other Afghan allies. Leon Panetta doesn't have a whole lot of credibility as far as I'm concerned. He's also a coward and a traitor who won't accept responsibility for his (in)actions in Benghazi, and elsewhere. Panetta and Hagel seem to REFUSE to honor the actions of Capt. Swenson at the battle of Ganjigal. The Army brass now believe Capt. Swensons actions were exaggerated. Perhaps we should send the army brass, and leon and chuck out there in the field under the same situation and see how much they enjoy their own hypocritical and traitorous rules of engagement they endanger our warfighters with.

We don't do anything to the ENEMY when our own people and warfighters, even our AMBASSADOR, are tortured, RAPED and murdered in hideous ways.

But one of our guys urinates on the wrong person, and suddenly our Military and Government leaders turn into FERVENT muslim sympathizers and defenders.

If that's not the height of HYPOCRISY, I don't know what is.

Then again, perhaps no one really gives a hoot.

Conspiracy theories? People wish.

It's called 'the news'.

[Purplehood]

conspiracy theorists unite now and bring the Monolithic US GUBBERMINT to its knees!!!! we must remember to keep our tinfoil and copper outer wear on and sealed and bonded so that THE GUBBERMINT kaint finger it out what we is doin.


ok nuff with the conspiracy stuff, it isn't getting old its been old. yea the report probably says a lot of things and most of it will be out of context. the alphabet agencies that make up the government can't find their own butt with a map both hands and a flashlight even with a 1 hour block of instruction. so wail on and when it never happens your going to be a scientologist, but remember don't drink the purple kool aid

If you want to discredit something, refer to it as a "conspiracy".

If you don't, call it a "relevant issue".

Who are we to determine which is a conspiracy and which is not?

[cb1000rider]

In case anybody hasn't noticed, the people in Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest of the Muslim world for that matter, have NOT relented of their hatred of the West. They kill and rape us anytime they have a chance, when they're not too busy killing each other in the name of their 'peaceful religion'.

Stratman,
Do you actually know any Muslims? I do. None of them have tried to kill me yet. Please remove the ones that I know from your "rest of the Muslim world" list.

We locked up the Japanese Americans during WWII. All the "Japs" wanted to kill us too, remember? Maybe we should have eradicated those civilians?

And if you want to make a case for a civilized and peaceful religion, make sure you review Christianity in the full historical context.

BTW, I agree with a lot of what you're saying otherwise - but when you indicate that almost 1.5 billion people are all out to kill us, I tend to ignore the rest of the context....

[bdickens]

While we're "review[ing] Christianity in the full historical context," be sure to take note of the fact that it has been some 800-odd years since the Crusades ended. Muslims, on the other hand, are still going around killing people for not being Muslims.

Or for not being Muslim enough.

Historically, more Muslims have been killed by other Muslims than by Christians.

[VMI77]

In case anybody hasn't noticed, the people in Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest of the Muslim world for that matter, have NOT relented of their hatred of the West. They kill and rape us anytime they have a chance, when they're not too busy killing each other in the name of their 'peaceful religion'.

Stratman,
Do you actually know any Muslims? I do. None of them have tried to kill me yet. Please remove the ones that I know from your "rest of the Muslim world" list.

We locked up the Japanese Americans during WWII. All the "Japs" wanted to kill us too, remember? Maybe we should have eradicated those civilians?

And if you want to make a case for a civilized and peaceful religion, make sure you review Christianity in the full historical context.

BTW, I agree with a lot of what you're saying otherwise - but when you indicate that almost 1.5 billion people are all out to kill us, I tend to ignore the rest of the context....

Sp, I take it you'd be OK with living in a majority Muslim country?

[cb1000rider]

Sp, I take it you'd be OK with living in a majority Muslim country?

With a family, probably not... But it's more of a cultural thing than worrying about violence from members of a main stream religion. Besides, I like dogs and they're a bit of a no-no in that culture.

Religions don't kill people. Stereotyping an entire religion, especially one that has almost 1.5 billion members as "the enemy" as the smacks of bigotry. A religion that speaks toward killing everyone else kinda runs counter to the whole concept of morality, don't you think? I do agree that you can find excepts that call for violence in almost any religious text (including Christian) - but those things need to be taken in an entire context.

There are very violent Muslims out there. There are also violent Christians too.... And violent atheists. I wonder if I could find a violent Buddist?! Don't blame everyone for the actions of a few.

Why bring this up? Because the rant above - I find a lot that I can agree with. But when I start reading about how the Muslim world is out to kill all of us and we need to act fast, you've lost me...

[VMI77]

Sp, I take it you'd be OK with living in a majority Muslim country?

With a family, probably not... But it's more of a cultural thing than worrying about violence from members of a main stream religion. Besides, I like dogs and they're a bit of a no-no in that culture.

Religions don't kill people. Stereotyping an entire religion, especially one that has almost 1.5 billion members as "the enemy" as the smacks of bigotry. A religion that speaks toward killing everyone else kinda runs counter to the whole concept of morality, don't you think? I do agree that you can find excepts that call for violence in almost any religious text (including Christian) - but those things need to be taken in an entire context.

There are very violent Muslims out there. There are also violent Christians too.... And violent atheists. I wonder if I could find a violent Buddist?! Don't blame everyone for the actions of a few.

Why bring this up? Because the rant above - I find a lot that I can agree with. But when I start reading about how the Muslim world is out to kill all of us and we need to act fast, you've lost me...

To me, Muslim violence is a secondary issue. The Muslim religion is simply incompatible with our Constitution and the entire concept of individual rights. I am also not particularly concerned about violence by illegal aliens. My concern is the import of a foreign culture that is incompatible with our Constitution and the concept of individual rights. I'm fine with any productive person who respects our laws and Constitution. In fact, I'd prefer productive persons from Africa and Latin America or Asia who are going to embrace our Constitution, to any East or West coast liberal who considers the Constitution to be just a tool to exploit in order to undermine the Republic and force us bitter clingers to worship at the alter of their planned Utopia.

[VMI77]

All the "Japs" wanted to kill us too, remember? Maybe we should have eradicated those civilians?

Nah, that's just what they said because it sounded better than we want to steal their property and it will be a lot easier to do if they're rounded up and put in concentration camps.

[cb1000rider]

VM, I can never tell if you actually believe what you're writing of if it's just sarcasm... At least it keeps me guessing.

[Moby]

And an adversary I am indeed

[RogueUSMC]

Not that Teddy didn't do anything to screw this country up but...

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

[Strat9mm]

In case anybody hasn't noticed, the people in Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest of the Muslim world for that matter, have NOT relented of their hatred of the West. They kill and rape us anytime they have a chance, when they're not too busy killing each other in the name of their 'peaceful religion'.

Stratman,
Do you actually know any Muslims? I do. None of them have tried to kill me yet. Please remove the ones that I know from your "rest of the Muslim world" list.

We locked up the Japanese Americans during WWII. All the "Japs" wanted to kill us too, remember? Maybe we should have eradicated those civilians?

And if you want to make a case for a civilized and peaceful religion, make sure you review Christianity in the full historical context.

BTW, I agree with a lot of what you're saying otherwise - but when you indicate that almost 1.5 billion people are all out to kill us, I tend to ignore the rest of the context....

Yes, and I also a know of quite a few Muslim sympathizers, many of whom are in positions of Civilian and Military leadership in this country.

They put the welfare of MUSLIMS above the welfare of Americans, including of our war-fighters.

You don't REALLY believe all the problems with the VA taking care of our people, is ONLY because of paperwork, do you?

Perhaps people REALLY believe that the IRS and NSA scandals aren't really scandals and that conservatives were never exclusively targeted, and the NSA isn't bugging all American's just to catch a few terrorists.

Where EXACTLY do you think our traitorous rules of engagement come from? A pack of traitorous, cowardly, obsequious morons bent on APPEASEMENT would be the correct answer.

And we all know what we should do when someone threatens the well-being of an American citizen right? Of course we do, we put our guns down, hand over the money, our women, and then bend over and take it. Yeah, that's about what we're doing now. And it's working out great, isn't it? Have we won the war over there yet? We NEVER will via appeasement policies which favor the ENEMY above our own war-fighters.

Anyone who doesn't see the history of Islam and the results of their religious tenets and recognize it all for what it is, is frankly, deluded.

The time is coming soon when the SURVIVORS of this nation will wish they had done alot more than suck up to these 'people' of this 'peaceful religion' as if they were 'buddies' and it was just the 'radicals' who were the only baddies among them.

You just wait for it.

As for the Japanese, guess what, they were the enemies. Sure, there were some who put America's interests above their own nation's and fought alongside American's. Good for them! But who's to say if the others had NOT been put in interment camps that were would not have been severe and numerous cases of sabotage in the U.S. at the time. So we declare war on a specific population group, and we should let them run around this country free to do as they please? Are you kidding me? Does that really make ANY sense at all? As it was, we interred them, we firebombed their cities, along with the cities of Germany and treated them as they treated their enemies, with no concern for 'collateral damage'. As a result, we not only won the war, we FORCED the survivors of both Japan and Germany to rethink their ways. The entire world can see the results.

Since we don't conduct war in same manner anymore, I fail to see why anyone but the stupid, the blind, and the idiotic would expect the same results we had in WW-II.

After over 10 years of war not a single heart or mind has been won. Because contrary to your misguided beliefs 'sir', you can't win the hearts and minds of the heartless and mindless. And that is exactly what it takes to be muslim.

You don't hear of Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or Baptist homicide bombers.

You don't hear of Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, or Baptist or Protestant Christians dancing in the streets, MEN, WOMEN and CHILDREN, when American CIVILIANS get blown up.

There's only ONE 'religion' (and I use the term loosely) which offers 72 virgins in heaven to debase for their male homicide bombers. The women, get NOTHING. You'd think women's groups around the U.S. would up in arms against Islam, considering that muslim women get treated WORSE then chattel. Now we know whose side these women's groups are on, and it's not ours. Anyway, why would ANYONE defend such a religion?

You want to whitewash a religion whose host nations and houses of 'religious worship' breath threats of death and destruction against Americans, Christians and Jews on an almost daily basis, then feel free.

After all, this is a free country and we all do, or SHOULD, have the freedom of speech, unless of course, one speaks out against homosexuals, muslims, LGBT's or any of the numerous ethnic minorities who make a overly large contribution to the crime rate in this country out of all proportion to their population. And of course, if one defends the God of the Old or New Testament, or the Bible with too many words, then we also lose our freedom of speech, even in this forum. It seems only Christianity and Jews and 2nd Amendment advocates can be slandered without repercussions.

Freedom of speech, yeah, that's working out really well.

That Arab Spring thing sure doesn't seem to be working out too well for all those Arab nations. All the people get, are another corrupt set of tyrannical rulers to replace the current ones.

Yeah, it sure is a PEACEFUL religion.

Funny how that is the only religion that seems to be doing all the be-headings even among their own people.

And if that is what they do to their OWN people, how do you think they're going to treat YOU?

They themselves coined the term 'useful fools'.

But just to answer the question, referencing their own threats in the news lately, you either convert, and become a slave -literally- and pay the JIZya tax, or you'll have your head handed to you, LITERALLY.

There's a joke there, I'm sure.

Peaceful religion. Give me a break.

I wouldn't trust any of them, nor ANYONE who defends them.

And that now includes you.

Then again, maybe I'm just full of it and all wrong.

History will decide.

If people don't have the wit to see what is coming and learn FROM history and ACT on it, they just lessened their chances of survival.

Neville Chamberlain, was a traitor and an idiot. As a matter of fact, John Kerry reminds me of Chamberlain. And that's not good! All of Britain saw what was coming and allowed the Jews to be slaughtered and REFUSED to step in. They paid the price, but not YET in full. Even AFTER the war, Britain (no longer 'Great' Britain), STILL sided with muslims against the Jews, so the future does NOT bode well for them. Muslims take a dim view of cowards, and that is after all, what traitors are, cowards.

FDR saw what Britain was suffering, and delayed our own entrance into the war until FORCED into it. FDR lost his life in mid-term, and was replaced by a relative NOBODY. Coincidence, perhaps, perhaps not. But most people don't know that FDR was asked REPEATEDLY by MacArthur MONTHS before the war started, to send ships to evacuate our troops and Philippine civilians who helped us. FDR REFUSED.

So don't put ALL the blame on the Japanese for the Bataan Death March. MUCH of it falls on FDR, another democrat "female kitty", and traitor.

EVERYONE can, or SHOULD be able to see what is coming, and yet we're doing next to nothing about it. Nothing EFFECTIVE that is, except sending BILLIONS in BRIBES, er 'aid' to all those countries who hate us. And if that is not the height of stupidity and TREASON, I don't know what is.

Yeah, we learned our lessons well. Not.

[Dave2]

I wouldn't trust any of them, nor ANYONE who defends them.

Don't you want to know someone a bit before not trusting them?

[Purplehood]

/diatribe off

[bdickens]

Just so we know, the crime of treason is very narrowly defined in the Constitution:

Article III.
Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

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