This Bill is to strengthen the Baker Act which is already law in FL.lbuehler325 wrote:"Hammer said after a person with mental illness is treated, they’ll be able to petition the court to get their gun rights back.
“They will not be able to purchase a gun until they have been treated, and a psychiatrist says they need relief from disability,” said Hammer."
The problem here is that there is no adjudication. This effectively strips a person of their rights without due process. Having a system to 'petition' the state to get back something they should have never had stripped is the antithesis of liberty.
Surely, nobody wants dangerous individuals to commit acts of violence against others; but at what cost of liberty are we willing to do it? If it means we are no longer free, then I'll certainly pass on the government's false sense of security.
Here are just a few of the listed mental disorders from Wikipedia. A voluntary committal for treatment of any of these could strip away the person's 2A rights.
1. Acute stress reaction (also called acute stress disorder, psychological shock, mental shock, or simply shock) is a psychological condition arising in response to a terrifying or traumatic event.
2. Adjustment disorder occurs when an individual is unable to adjust to or cope with a particular stressor, like a major life event. Since people with this disorder normally have symptoms that depressed people do, such as general loss of interest, feelings of hopelessness and crying, this disorder is also sometimes known as situational depression.
3. Anorexia nervosa is an eating disorder characterized by immoderate food restriction and irrational fear of gaining weight, as well as a distorted body self-perception.
4. Bereavement (also called Grief) is a multi-faceted response to loss, particularly to the loss of someone or something to which a bond was formed.
5. Binge eating disorder (BED) is the most common eating disorder in the United States affecting 3.5% of females and 2% of males and is prevalent in up to 30% of those seeking weight loss treatment.
6. Bulimia nervosa is an eating disorder characterized by binge eating and purging, or consuming a large amount of food in a short amount of time followed by an attempt to rid oneself of the food consumed (purging), typically by vomiting, taking a laxative or diuretic, and/or excessive exercise, because of an extensive concern for body weight.
7. Caffeine-induced sleep disorder is a psychiatric disorder that results from overconsumption of the stimulant caffeine. "When caffeine is consumed immediately before bedtime or continuously throughout the day, sleep onset may be delayed, total sleep time reduced, normal stages of sleep altered, and the quality of sleep decreased.
8. Childhood amnesia (also called infantile amnesia) is the inability of adults to retrieve episodic memories before the age of 2–4 years, as well as the period before age 10 of which adults retain fewer memories than might otherwise be expected given the passage of time.
9. Dyslexia is characterized by difficulty in learning to read fluently and with inaccurate comprehension despite normal intelligence.[1][2] This includes difficulty with phonological awareness, phonological decoding, processing speed, orthographic coding, auditory short-term memory, language skills/verbal comprehension, and/or rapid naming.
10. Nocturnal enuresis or nighttime urinary incontinence, commonly called bedwetting, or "'sleepwetting'" is involuntary urination while asleep after the age at which bladder control usually occurs.
11. Insomnia, or sleeplessness, is a sleep disorder in which there is an inability to fall asleep or to stay asleep as long as desired.
12. Erectile dysfunction (ED) is sexual dysfunction characterized by the inability to develop or maintain an erection of the penis during sexual performance.[
13. Dyscalculia is difficulty in learning or comprehending arithmetic, such as difficulty in understanding numbers, learning how to manipulate numbers, and learning math facts. It is generally seen as a specific developmental disorder like dyslexia.
14. Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD, similar to hyperkinetic disorder in the ICD) is a psychiatric disorder[1] or neurobehavioral disorder[2] characterized by significant difficulties either of inattention or hyperactivity and impulsiveness or a combination of the two.
15. Nicotine withdrawal is the group of symptoms that occur upon the abrupt discontinuation or decrease in intake of nicotine.
16. Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry; by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing the associated anxiety; or by a combination of such obsessions and compulsions.
17. A phobia is, when used in the context of clinical psychology, a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrational. In the event the phobia cannot be avoided entirely, the sufferer will endure the situation or object with marked distress and significant interference in social or occupational activities.
18. Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a severe condition that may develop after a person is exposed to one or more traumatic events, such as sexual assault, serious injury or the threat of death.
19. Sleepwalking, also known as somnambulism or noctambulism, is a sleep disorder belonging to the parasomnia family.[2] Sleepwalkers arise from the slow wave sleep stage in a state of low consciousness and perform activities that are usually performed during a state of full consciousness.
20. Stuttering , also known as stammering, is a speech disorder in which the flow of speech is disrupted by involuntary repetitions and prolongations of sounds, syllables, words or phrases as well as involuntary silent pauses or blocks in which the person who stutters is unable to produce sounds.
So, just to clear... seek help for any of the above in Florida, and lose your rights.
Most, if not all of those listed are DISORDERS and NOT defined as a mental illness as defined under DSM-V. Read the bill! If you go in voluntarily for counseling on ANY of these (seek help) you are NOT punished under this FL law. There is NO requirement for people to give up their weapons under these circumstances. The Bill is about Mental Illness.
And citing Wikipedia? Seriously, why would you cite a source that defines these as disorders. You not only destroy any credibility you may have had but you are giving ammunition to the Liberal hype.
The original intent of this Bill is to thwart those who use the voluntary system to avoid CRIMINAL charges. The Bill also specifies that if you seek counseling, it cannot be held against you, unless you are a danger to yourself or others. As I understand it, many were voluntarily committed and when they arrived at the facility, they refused care and left. There was a loophole that allowed seriously mentally ill persons to get out of being added to the NCIC.
The system is broken and I do understand your stance on this. But to skew the Bill as Anti gun is a slippery slope we do not need to start down. Here is a summary of the Bill - http://www.flsenate.gov/Committees/Bill ... 3/html/349" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here is the Bill (I am not sure if this is the final version but I believe it is). - http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/20 ... ext/er/PDF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here is the baker Act (an overview) - http://archive.flsenate.gov/data/Public ... -105cf.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
