Federal background check "compromise"

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Re: Federal background check "compromise"

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TexasCajun wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/sena ... ction.html

Looks like this IS the bill they've been talking about: requiring an FFL transfer for private sales & new requirements for record keeping. Looks like it's time to break out the checkbook again & send some support to NRA-ILA. Although it sounds like we could be in for a second act of the Ted Cruz-Rand Paul show.

The telltale sign that this is really only their first step in the national disarmament plan is the "It's just common sense." line from Toomey.
Anyone have a link to the actual text??
So far all I can find are sound bites like this...
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Allegedly Schumer is also one of the co sponsors of this bill but did not attend the Press Surrender.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/10/n ... nd-checks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Update: “The background check bill, which would close the gun show loophole and expand checks to online sales, is officially co-sponsored by Schumer; Toomey; Joe Manchin III, D-W.Va.; and Mark S. Kirk, R-Ill. But only Toomey and Manchin appeared before the cameras. Toomey, the former Club for Growth president, had told Manchin he would not speak at the news conference if he had to get on stage with Schumer, according to two sources familiar with the talks. Schumer obliged, and Kirk also agreed not to appear in order to provide cover to Schumer.”
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RoyGBiv wrote: Anyone have a link to the actual text??
So far all I can find are sound bites like this...

Looking. No actual text but I did find this at AR15.com

Seeing bits and pieces of it, so:


Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.

Closes the gun show and other loopholes while exempting temporary transfers and transfers between family members.

Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term “transport” includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.

Protects sellers from lawsuits if the weapon cleared through the expanded background checks and is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.

Allows dealers to complete transactions at gun shows that take place in a state for which they are not a resident.

Requires that if a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four years, when the NICS improvements are completed, the background check would clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days.

Requires the FBI to give priority to finalizing background checks at gun shows over checks at store front dealerships.

Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.

Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.

Allows active military to buy firearms in their home states.

Family transfers and some private sales (friends, neighbors, other individuals) are exempt from background checks.
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Re: Federal background check "compromise"

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Poldark wrote: Waiting for the NRA to F rate Toomey by sundown ? :banghead:
Wouldn't hold my breath. But he needs a downgrade. And Manchin as well. How he retains an "A" rating is beyond me.
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If anyone here thinks that any new legislation is going to be followed to the letter of the intent of the law they are sadly mistaken. No matter how many safeguards are legislated, there will be factions in the fed.gov who will ignore the law and do what they want.

All you have to do is look at their leadership and those in power and you have your answer.

Furthermore, if you think that passing a measly new concession for more background checks is going to satisfy their lust in their quest for ultimate registration and confiscatio then you are delusional to the extreme.

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I'm tired of everyone telling me I have to compromise. Every compromise has resulted in giving up more with nothing gained for my side.

No more. Ever. :mad5
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gthaustex wrote:I'm tired of everyone telling me I have to compromise. Every compromise has resulted in giving up more with nothing gained for my side.

No more. Ever. :mad5
In a 'compromise', both sides get something, both lose something. I see NOTHING the 2A community gains from this. And nothing that couldn't be taken back in a heartbeat.
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There's still too much ambiguity to the bullet list for me. I'd like to see the actual text of the amendment.

Things I'd also like to see clarified.
* The family transfer section
* what constitutes an online sale
* how the bill prohibits a national registry. It's nice he says it does, but show me the language


From Toomey's website
http://www.toomey.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act
Sens. Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey

Bottom Line: The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act would require states and the federal government to send all necessary records on criminals and the violently mentally ill to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The bill extends the existing background check system to gun shows and online sales.

The bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a national firearms registry, and imposes serious criminal penalties (a felony with up to 15 years in prison) on any person who misuses or illegally retains firearms records.

TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.

- Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.

- Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.

TITLE TWO: REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR FIREARM SALES

Summary of Title II: This section of the bill requires background checks for sales at gun shows and online while securing certain aspects of 2nd Amendment rights for law abiding citizens.

- Closes the gun show and other loopholes while exempting temporary transfers and transfers between family members.

- Fixes interstate travel laws for sportsmen who transport their firearms across state lines in a responsible manner. The term "transport" includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, buying fuel, vehicle maintenance, and medical treatment.

- Protects sellers from lawsuits if the weapon cleared through the expanded background checks and is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.

- Allows dealers to complete transactions at gun shows that take place in a state for which they are not a resident.

- Requires that if a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four years, when the NICS improvements are completed, the background check would clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days.

- Requires the FBI to give priority to finalizing background checks at gun shows over checks at store front dealerships.

- Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.

- Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.

- Allows active military to buy firearms in their home states.

- Family transfers and some private sales (friends, neighbors, other individuals) are exempt from background checks

TITLE THREE: NATIONAL COMMISSION ON MASS VIOLENCE

Summary of Title III: : This section of the bill creates a commission to study the causes of mass violence in the United States, looking at all aspects of the problem, including guns, school safety, mental health, and violent media or video games.

The Commission would consist of six experts appointed by the Senate Majority Leader and six experts appointed by the Speaker of the House. They would be required to submit an interim report in three months and a completed report in six months.

WHAT THE BILL WILL NOT DO

The bill will not take away anyone's guns.

The bill will not ban any type of firearm.

The bill will not ban or restrict the use of any kind of bullet or any size clip or magazine.

The bill will not create a national registry; in fact, it specifically makes it illegal to establish any such registry.

The bill will not, in any way at all, infringe upon the Constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.
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Re: Federal background check "compromise"

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gthaustex wrote:I'm tired of everyone telling me I have to compromise. Every compromise has resulted in giving up more with nothing gained for my side.

No more. Ever. :mad5
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Just called and spoke with a receptive Sen. John Cornyn's office and passed on my distaste for Toomey's Bill of Surrender and hoped the Senator would not be supporting the bill. The secretary says she would pass on my request. Might be worth calling . :txflag:
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These two items are "gains" for FFLs to try to get them on board to support this "compromise" , in addition to the intrinsic gain of no more "private" competition from non-FFL sales. Now ALL SALES must go thru an FFL in some way.
- Allows dealers to complete transactions at gun shows that take place in a state for which they are not a resident.

- Permits interstate handgun sales from dealers.
But no such "gains" for the average gun owner - thus no "compromise" in the true sense of the word.
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- Authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.
And why not allow a CHL in lieu of background check for private transactions? Why only when purchasing from a dealer?

Another concession to FFLs to try to gain their implicit support for the bill.
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- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.
What about the rest of us?
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The bill will not, in any way at all, infringe upon the Constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.
That's a matter of opinion, not fact.
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The bill will not create a national registry; in fact, it specifically makes it illegal to establish any such registry.
Right!

I trust you. After all you took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.

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