Bozo Biden ups the ante --just shoot through the door

[03Lightningrocks]

If I were a friend of his I would tell him to put the shovel down. So, keep digging Joe. Keep digging. I know those that voted for his boss might not care or even see it the same way, but he'll get his some day.

Not only the shovel... But the bottle as well.

[The Annoyed Man]

I know Crazy Joe's intentions were misguided and I don't agree with his agenda but the advice is good, I think, at least to the extent of shooting someone through the door who is actively trying to break into your home goes. Regardless of what you use.

I had an opportunity to talk to at the time Assist. Sheriff Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county when we had a rash of burglaries in our neighborhood.

He said if someone was trying to breakin it was legal to shoot them through the door, you didnt have to wait until he got in and put yourself at risk.

If those who are just getting onboard with the whole guns and freedom movement invest in shotguns for HD then good but I hope they dont buy the Crazy Joe and O arguments against AR's and AK's. Everyone needs (Freedom rifle) one now more than ever.

But if the demand/price of freedom rifles was offset the demand for shotguns then I'd be the first to take advantage of that.

Please review firearm rule #4 and tell me if you still believe in firing blindly through a door.

Exactly. If you can't SEE the target, you have no idea who you are shooting at, because no matter how much you THINK you know, you DON'T know until the door opens. What if a cop had stepped up to the door to neutralize the bad guy just as you pulled the trigger, and you didn't know because you can't see him there?

[Superman]

I know Crazy Joe's intentions were misguided and I don't agree with his agenda but the advice is good, I think, at least to the extent of shooting someone through the door who is actively trying to break into your home goes. Regardless of what you use.

I had an opportunity to talk to at the time Assist. Sheriff Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county when we had a rash of burglaries in our neighborhood.

He said if someone was trying to breakin it was legal to shoot them through the door, you didnt have to wait until he got in and put yourself at risk.

If those who are just getting onboard with the whole guns and freedom movement invest in shotguns for HD then good but I hope they dont buy the Crazy Joe and O arguments against AR's and AK's. Everyone needs (Freedom rifle) one now more than ever.

But if the demand/price of freedom rifles was offset the demand for shotguns then I'd be the first to take advantage of that.

Please review firearm rule #4 and tell me if you still believe in firing blindly through a door.

I am perfectly fine shooting someone trying to break into my house through a door or window or wall. As soon as I determine that the person's intent is to break into my house, I'm well within my God given (and legal) rights to take the appropriate defensive action...and I'll exercise that right to protect my family. Honestly, I probably won't even give a holler as a warning or to "make sure" of their intent.

It is not an absolute rule that you have to have an unobstructed visual line of site to your target in order to make a decision to shoot. If that were the case, then as soon as a BG took cover behind a box, my hands would be tied and I could not shoot, right? If the BG hides behind a box, my level of confidence in my target behind the obstruction is high enough for me to proceed. This falls under the ethical "reasonable person" defense. If a reasonable person would have come to your same conclusion (that whoever was behind your back door was trying to break in), then your legal actions based on that conclusion are all good.

[JP171]

I know Crazy Joe's intentions were misguided and I don't agree with his agenda but the advice is good, I think, at least to the extent of shooting someone through the door who is actively trying to break into your home goes. Regardless of what you use.

I had an opportunity to talk to at the time Assist. Sheriff Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county when we had a rash of burglaries in our neighborhood.

He said if someone was trying to breakin it was legal to shoot them through the door, you didnt have to wait until he got in and put yourself at risk.

If those who are just getting onboard with the whole guns and freedom movement invest in shotguns for HD then good but I hope they dont buy the Crazy Joe and O arguments against AR's and AK's. Everyone needs (Freedom rifle) one now more than ever.

But if the demand/price of freedom rifles was offset the demand for shotguns then I'd be the first to take advantage of that.

Please review firearm rule #4 and tell me if you still believe in firing blindly through a door.

I am perfectly fine shooting someone trying to break into my house through a door or window or wall. As soon as I determine that the person's intent is to break into my house, I'm well within my God given (and legal) rights to take the appropriate defensive action...and I'll exercise that right to protect my family. Honestly, I probably won't even give a holler as a warning or to "make sure" of their intent.

It is not an absolute rule that you have to have an unobstructed visual line of site to your target in order to make a decision to shoot. If that were the case, then as soon as a BG took cover behind a box, my hands would be tied and I could not shoot, right? If the BG hides behind a box, my level of confidence in my target behind the obstruction is high enough for me to proceed.

oooooo ummmm I'm gonna tell your moral compass is all messed up, just like mine is

[Excaliber]

I know Crazy Joe's intentions were misguided and I don't agree with his agenda but the advice is good, I think, at least to the extent of shooting someone through the door who is actively trying to break into your home goes. Regardless of what you use.

I had an opportunity to talk to at the time Assist. Sheriff Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county when we had a rash of burglaries in our neighborhood.

He said if someone was trying to breakin it was legal to shoot them through the door, you didnt have to wait until he got in and put yourself at risk.

If those who are just getting onboard with the whole guns and freedom movement invest in shotguns for HD then good but I hope they dont buy the Crazy Joe and O arguments against AR's and AK's. Everyone needs (Freedom rifle) one now more than ever.

But if the demand/price of freedom rifles was offset the demand for shotguns then I'd be the first to take advantage of that.

Please review firearm rule #4 and tell me if you still believe in firing blindly through a door.

Exactly. If you can't SEE the target, you have no idea who you are shooting at, because no matter how much you THINK you know, you DON'T know until the door opens. What if a cop had stepped up to the door to neutralize the bad guy just as you pulled the trigger, and you didn't know because you can't see him there?

Not to mention that, since you can't see the exact position of the person on the other side of the door, you may miss his body entirely and fling a round into the front bedroom of the home across the street.

Doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

I favor taking a position of cover, warning the intruder with on open line to 911 (if time allows), and waiting until he breaks through the door before letting any rounds fly.

[jmra]

Somewhere a village is missing their idiot.

I disagree - they know exactly where he is. They sent him to DC to get rid of him.

[LSUTiger]

I know Crazy Joe's intentions were misguided and I don't agree with his agenda but the advice is good, I think, at least to the extent of shooting someone through the door who is actively trying to break into your home goes. Regardless of what you use.

I had an opportunity to talk to at the time Assist. Sheriff Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county when we had a rash of burglaries in our neighborhood.

He said if someone was trying to breakin it was legal to shoot them through the door, you didnt have to wait until he got in and put yourself at risk.

If those who are just getting onboard with the whole guns and freedom movement invest in shotguns for HD then good but I hope they dont buy the Crazy Joe and O arguments against AR's and AK's. Everyone needs (Freedom rifle) one now more than ever.

But if the demand/price of freedom rifles was offset the demand for shotguns then I'd be the first to take advantage of that.

Please review firearm rule #4 and tell me if you still believe in firing blindly through a door.

YES, YES, YES, I do, rule#4 can take a flying leap. I say it all depends on the situation. My home was getting the back door kicked in one Sunday morning, the repeated kicking woke me up. Before I was able to wake up and get out of bed to respond I heard the door come open as bits and pieces of my door frame came flyinall over the place.

When I made it out of the bedroom with gun in hand about 1 second later, the BG was already gone, apparently he thought no one was home or the home had not been sold yet and unoccupied ( this was 5 days after we moved in). Fortunately no entry was made. I cleared the house. And waited for police.

There was no police officer in my back yard to try and stop him. The police didnt arrive until 7 minutes later. Took a report and left.

I have a wife, two small kids, and a mother to protect, I doubt anyone of them is going to be kicking in any doors to get in at 5 am on a Sunday.

Had I arrived a little sooner there would have been a chalk outline of a dead BG outside of my back door. See pic below of my destroyed door frame. I had to remove the door, the handle an dead bolt lock mechanism were kicked so hard it cracked door itself and pushed through the door frame. I had to board up the back entrance until I could get it fixed.

I wont sit around waiting for someone to break into my house so I could discuss rule#4 or their intentions.

I let common sense and the situation dictate my response, if rule#4 applies then I'll follow, if I feel better protected otherwise then I'll just have to be the judge of that.

[Wodathunkit]

Ive been thinking about this, and the VP is right. Just where exactly does he live? I'd like to practice with him, shooting through his door.

[E.Marquez]

Former Assist Sheriff, Former Chief Deputy, and failed attempt at being elected Sheriff, Mr Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county is neither a legal scholar, nor a person that will deiced an accused's innocence or guilt. And I would suggest, that his advise was as lame as the VP's
For many of the valid reason brought forth above.

[LSUTiger]

Former Assist Sheriff, Former Chief Deputy, and failed attempt at being elected Sheriff, Mr Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county is neither a legal scholar, nor a person that will deiced an accused's innocence or guilt. And I would suggest, that his advise was as lame as the VP's
For many of the valid reason brought forth above.

We can agree on one thing, ironically, Police are not the best source of legal advice. Those who are supposed to uphold the laws should have a better knowledge of what those laws are.

But to my knowledge he is correct....

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But my question to him and his answer to me were after my break in had occured because I thought about what I was prepared to do as I encountered the threat.

Not all rules and good advice fit every scenario. When all the members of your family are in every room in the house its not the same scenario than when every one is barricaded into a single room waiting for police to arrive. In my situation the threat was imminent and my family was not secure or even aware of what was happening.

Holding fast to some rule when common sense dictates otherwise could get you killed.

Every scenario will have its own set of circumstances to take into account. You can follow your rule no matter what and good luck to you but not me. I choose common sense and to act accordingly as the situation dictates, not according to some rule that may not be good advice or applicable to the situation or to any sense of moral superiority by agreeing with the rest of the crowd (I'll leave that to the anti 2A anti gunners). So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[fickman]

Not all shots through a door are blind shots. Some doors have windows in them. Some doors have windows on either side of them. I could take a well aimed shot through my backdoor that does not violate any safety rules, but I could not take that same shot through my front door. At thehouse I grew up in, I could take the front door shot.

[fickman]

Let me qualify my statement by echoing that Biden's advice is irresponsible and dangerous, as he was making no such distinction.

[LSUTiger]

Former Assist Sheriff, Former Chief Deputy, and failed attempt at being elected Sheriff, Mr Kenneth Craig Brady of FT.Bend county is neither a legal scholar, nor a person that will deiced an accused's innocence or guilt. And I would suggest, that his advise was as lame as the VP's
For many of the valid reason brought forth above.

or to any sense of moral superiority by agreeing with the rest of the crowd (I'll leave that to the anti 2A anti gunners). So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sorry, last little bit about "moral superiority" not meant as a personal jab. It kind of snuck in there as a result of very recent AWB discussion at work where a FUDD or two went into the whole I support the 2A but I don't need an AR to go hunting routine.

They could not articulate a valid argument for their support for AWB and failed to understand the real purpose of the 2A. So I suspect they were either on some moral superiority high horse or just trying to be politically correct at work or just going along with the crowd. Either way its should be countered at every opportunity with the truth.

Not that there aren't valid situations to apply rule#4. And yes there is a large clear glass window in my back door which I can see outside a little through the side of the blinds that cover it and even a foot or two beyond the door when looking at it from a distance.

My apologies in advance.

[E.Marquez]

But to my knowledge he is correct....

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00378I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I'll agree a jury and judge MIGHT see it as justifiable based on the law.... and I'll opine, they may very well not... Is a person on the other side of the door a threat? Maybe,,,, and if you shoot though it, it will be your lawyers job the CONVINCE the judge and jury..
I guess my thought is...
It's not as cut and dried as some will have you believe... and keeping a good 10-20 or more feet away from the door with a good line of sight, and waiting to KNOW who is coming through the doorway before engaging is, IMHO a better plan, and more likely to get you no billed from a Grand Jury, or acquitted from a jury of your peers.

At the end of the day there is no RIGHT or perfect answer for a one size fits all... We can what if it to death...... IF I had a BG at the back door coming in and a "person" kicking in the front door...... I'd likely agree with a shooting though the door deal.. Hit the BG in the house first, and then drop the person at the front door.

[VoiceofReason]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02 ... -the-door/

I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.”

In the same Field and Stream interview, Biden also said that anyone who needs a “clip” (actually a magazine) with 30 rounds in it is a “danger” to themselves

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This has to be intentional disinformation. Even with as little respect as I have for most politicians, I just can't believe anyone can make it to vice-president of the United States and be this big of an idiot and buffoon. Our so called "journalists" now, yeah, they are that stupid.

Yes, Crazy Joe is that stupid:

-- During a Sept. 12, 2008, speech in Columbia, Mo., Biden called for Missouri State Sen. Chuck Graham, who is wheelchair-bound, to "stand up." "Oh, God love ya," Biden said, after realizing his mistake. "What am I talking about?"

-- During his first campaign rally with Obama as his vice presidential running mate on Aug. 23, 2008, Biden introduced Obama by saying, "A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States -- Barack America!"

-- In a Sept. 22, 2008, CBS interview, Joe Biden misspoke when he said Franklin D. Roosevelt was president when the stock market crashed in 1929.
"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened," he said.
Herbert Hoover -- not Roosevelt -- was president in 1929, and television had not yet been invented in 1929.

-- When criticizing former GOP nominee John McCain in Athens, Ohio, on Oct. 15, 2008, Biden said, "Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."

-- On March 17, 2010, Biden used a St. Patrick's Day celebration at the White House to honor the memory of the Irish prime minister's mother -- though she was alive.

If mind reading were actually possible, can you imagine the results if a mind reader got too close to Joe?