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[The Mad Moderate]

I for the most part support the ACA, I do not like the mandate but see it as necessary given the mandates put on the insurance companies. I think that in the near term rates will go up in the long term I think the costs will go down and be even more affordable. I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now. This is not the death of freedom.

[VMI77]

Washington, Adams, and Jefferson........and even Lincoln......would be rolling in their graves. They were all about stewardship and the preservation of liberty for their descendents. Not so this bunch of political rape artists.

For our francophone friends: L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

Translated for those who are not: "Hades is full of good intentions and desires."

If Romney does not get elected and then follow through on his promise to gut and/or repeal Obamacare, we are doomed.

Or put another way,"the road to Hades is paved with good intentions."

[VMI77]

I for the most part support the ACA, I do not like the mandate but see it as necessary given the mandates put on the insurance companies. I think that in the near term rates will go up in the long term I think the costs will go down and be even more affordable. I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now. This is not the death of freedom.

Come on...Social Security? It's on it's last legs. I doubt if I'll see a dime even If I live long enough to qualify. The younger generation considers it a ripoff. They're not going to pay higher and higher taxes to support us old codgers. SS is on the road to collapse....20 years at the outside.

[mamabearCali]

I for the most part support the ACA, I do not like the mandate but see it as necessary given the mandates put on the insurance companies. I think that in the near term rates will go up in the long term I think the costs will go down and be even more affordable. I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now. This is not the death of freedom.

Oh you mean that thing my husband and I are forced to contribute to but will never EVER see a penny of.....yeah that is just how I hope lifesaving treatment is handled here in the US.

[The Mad Moderate]

I for the most part support the ACA, I do not like the mandate but see it as necessary given the mandates put on the insurance companies. I think that in the near term rates will go up in the long term I think the costs will go down and be even more affordable. I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now. This is not the death of freedom.

Oh you mean that thing my husband and I are forced to contribute to but will never EVER see a penny of.....yeah that is just how I hope lifesaving treatment is handled here in the US.

Could I borrow your time travel device, I would really like to know the lottery numbers for next week.

[74novaman]

I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now.

So as an inefficient system that far exceeds its projected costs and underacheives its stated goals, that is used as tax revenue today by Congress instead of secured for tomorrow?

You're right...if it survives it will probably be viewed exactly as social security is!

[mamabearCali]

My husband and I won't be 70 for another 40 years. You must have the crystal ball to be able to garauntee that we will still have SS in that day and age. Me...I am not counting on it.

[VMI77]

I for the most part support the ACA, I do not like the mandate but see it as necessary given the mandates put on the insurance companies. I think that in the near term rates will go up in the long term I think the costs will go down and be even more affordable. I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now. This is not the death of freedom.

Oh you mean that thing my husband and I are forced to contribute to but will never EVER see a penny of.....yeah that is just how I hope lifesaving treatment is handled here in the US.

Could I borrow your time travel device, I would really like to know the lottery numbers for next week.

Check it out...those dastardly Arabs invented something called numbers and they enable people to tell when the amount of one thing is greater than another thing, such as when KNOWN future obligations exceed any realistic hope of future revenues.

Edited to add:

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

Margaret Thatcher

[The Mad Moderate]

My husband and I won't be 70 for another 40 years. You must have the crystal ball to be able to garauntee that we will still have SS in that day and age. Me...I am not counting on it.

I never said it was a guarantee, there are NO guarantees in life. I am not counting on it either, I plan accordingly and have supplemental accounts for that reason.

[mamabearCali]

So I should be happy that my husband and I are getting ripped off to the tune of several hundred dollars each month? So happy that I want this to expand into my healthcare costs. Quite honestly, if the premiums don't go up dramatically then services will have to decrease and my family will be forced into yet again paying for our services and the fair shares of many other people as we try to keep out family heathy despite govt interference.

[The Annoyed Man]

And here I though the people on the site were smart. I cannot believe so many "smart" people are still buying into the lies of the right wing media machine.

This may be a useless exercise, and please don't see this as an attack, but could you enumerate and explain what right wing media lies that the other posters have bought in to? You could even just do the top three.


Such as:

#1> Do you believe this is NOT a tax?

You can choose the rest...


PS...In the future when you choose to call a group stupid, I would double check grammar and spelling before hitting the old submit button.

1. Yes it is a Tax I cannot dispute that.
2. There is no rationing of care http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statemen ... -can-rati/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3.It is NOT a government takeover of healthcare http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... nment-tak/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
4. You will not go to jail for not buying health insurance http://www.politifact.com/virginia/stat ... lth-care-/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
5. There are and never will be "Death panels" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ath-panel/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That part in red is bull. Collections of the punishment tax will be via the IRS. What if you refuse to pay it? If there is no jail, then they cannot enforce the fine.......same as for any other tax.

By taking your tax refund or garnishing your wages. Having worked for the IRS it is relatively rare to end up in jail for not paying taxes, it happens but not as often as one thinks. Also I believe there are provisions in the bill that forbid it. But what does it matter what I say as you see me and 54% of americans an your enemy. I guess I ought to go crawl in a hole and die now since I am so un-American. Although something about he who is without sin casting the first stone or not throwing stones if you live in a glass house comes to mind. I call you the enemy of liberty for supporting the president who passed the Patriot Act, which striped far more liberty from us than Obama could ever dream of.

So, last year, my business, after paying all of its expenses and making a small contribution to my income (the rest of which comes from burning through savings while we build a business) netted a profit of almost exactly $2,500 after taxes (I get no refund) and after paying for my own healthcare out of pocket. It took 4 years to net a profit. Now you want to garnish that to pay for yours and others' stupid healthcare? That's why I've worked my tail off for the last 4 years to try and build a business? How jacked up is your moral compass exactly? You and your kind are the killers of entrepreneurship and the American dream.

I've got nothing more to say to you. The good news is that Romney will wax Obama's tail in November. I just donated $200 to his campaign not 10 minutes ago—the first political donation I've made in years. And God willing, he'll repeal this abortion of a tax bill.

[powerboatr]

I think in 70 years the ACA will be looked at in the same way the Social Security Act is viewed now.

So as an inefficient system that far exceeds its projected costs and underacheives its stated goals, that is used as tax revenue today by Congress instead of secured for tomorrow?

You're right...if it survives it will probably be viewed exactly as social security is!

we all know to well what happens when congress gets their grips on tax revenue.............
that is what is crippling the social security program, congress takes and takes but never returns....

[VMI77]

So I should be happy that my husband and I are getting ripped off to the tune of several hundred dollars each month? So happy that I want this to expand into my healthcare costs. Quite honestly, if the premiums don't go up dramatically then services will have to decrease and my family will be forced into yet again paying for our services and the fair shares of many other people as we try to keep out family heathy despite govt interference.

It occurs to me that perhaps the non-behavior tax you should worry about is a tax on not sending your children to public schools. Granted, you pay school taxes, but the school has to forgo Federal matching funds without your children in attendance. Is that fair? --you're taking money right out of the school's pocket (using liberal logic here...the same kind that seems to hold that the government isn't taking your property when it withholds your tax refund).

[03Lightningrocks]

[VMI77]

So, last year, my business, after paying all of its expenses and making a small contribution to my income (the rest of which comes from burning through savings while we build a business) netted a profit of almost exactly $2,500 after taxes (I get no refund) and after paying for my own healthcare out of pocket. It took 4 years to net a profit. Now you want to garnish that to pay for yours and others' stupid healthcare? That's why I've worked my tail off for the last 4 years to try and build a business? How jacked up is your moral compass exactly? You and your kind are the killers of entrepreneurship and the American dream.
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One thing liberals don't seem to understand is that once they've penalized responsibility and good decisions enough a lot of people are going to come to the conclusion that bad decisions and irresponsibility make more sense.