TX rep to author OC

[74novaman]

I'm not a student and I don't work for an antigun company, so by that logic I should focus on open carry.

No, I was arguing for passing bills that were for the greater good. More people are positively benefited by those 2 than OC. I'm not a student or working for an anti gun company either, but I still don't think OC is as important as either one.

[Salty1]

When a respected Texas based organization backs OC then I will as well, in my opinion it will take a well financed organization that has a relationship with our elected officials if this has any chance of becoming reality. So far all I have seen have been loud mouths that have caused more harm than good. Personally I could care less about OC.org, they do not believe in the small step theory and have no concerns for all the work that has been done to expand our gun rights in Texas prior to them trying to make a name for themselves.

Let’s be honest, many people and an OC organization misrepresent facts regarding OC. As an example they say that Massachusetts is an open carry state. Go ahead and try it, if somebody is actually stupid enough to do it they will find themselves in the prone position very quickly and face serious charges. Because there are not laws on the books against it does not mean it can be done.

If OC is so important then why not start in an Anti State and expend money and resources there, if you can get them to change then the rest will be less of a battle to fight each time.

Those gun owners who disagree with the OC movement are not anti 2nd Amendment, people who spew this just show their ignorance. Until the US Constitution is interpreted as written then people can refer to the 2nd Amendment as a right, which it truly is, unfortunately it has also been legislated as a privilege in the overwhelmingly majority of the States. I prefer to spend my free time wisely and will continue to make phone calls, write letters and send faxes regarding Campus Carry and the Parking Lot Bills when the time is appropriate. Once they are passed then and only then will I look at other items that will enhance our legislated rights. I am done with this topic until 2012…………..

[mr surveyor]

when I am convinced that there will not be a major increase of "posted" businesses and properties in the State due to the emergence of open carry, I too will support it. In the current socio-political climate I don't see that happening. Out of sight - out of mind.


surv

[PATHFINDER]

If OC is legalized in Texas no one will be forced to OC. As for as the 30.06 sign concern - the purpose of the sign is to serve written notice to persons carrying HANDGUNS that their patronage is not wanted on the premises. The signs refer to CONCEALED handguns simply because that's the only way they can be worn in Texas. Why would someone who would be legally open carrying attempt to proceed past a current 30.06 sign? " What's that ? Who me ? OH - I'm OK . I 'm not carrying concealed so your sign doesn't apply to me."

Most supporters of amending the law to allow for OC would simply like to see Texas join the other 43 open carry states. This in-fighting between TSRA and OCDO needs to be halted. I think there's plenty of "heartburn" in both camps. We all need to chew on some rolaids and get past it. The OCDO folks started from scratch 2 years ago tryiing to resolve a constitutional conflict that is all the more apparent since the McDonald decision . No they aren't well versed in legislative lobbying. I think we all need to air out our "attics" a bit, and strive to work together this go-around. Legalized OC would enhance the CHL program and make Texas safer for all. If OC became legal in Texas tomorrow the actual social impact would be minimal to non-existent.

[74novaman]

Legalized OC would enhance the CHL program

In what ways? Other than removing the fear of wind snatching your shirt up and showing off your gun, not sure how it would help. Not saying thats a reason not to pass it, but am just genuinely curious how you think it would help CHL.

[safety1]

Well said Pathfinder.....well said. I like your approach!

[blue]

Make OC signs BIGGER than a 30.06 and OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT than the 30.06 sign.

EACH sign only applies to one method of carry.

BIG, BIG penalty for misuse. (state fair on city of dallas property, etc.)

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--TABC runs a tight ship on the 51% signs, So control of OC/CHL signs can be done.--

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Shucks, OC is only a baby step.

2011 - GO MORE BABY STEPS!!!!

IF WE DON'T GET A BUNCH OF (BIG) BABY STEPS IN 2011, THEN JUST WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ?????

[dicion]

I've already stated my opinion on this in great detail quite some time ago.
I feel no need to type it all out again.

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[shootthesheet]

Constitutional Carry.

[CainA]

I'm not a huge proponent of open carry per se - in that I would rarely indulge myself in the practice anyway should it become legal. That said, I would absolutely enjoy having that choice, as I am sure would others.

Me too. I don't like to have to play "hide the gun" all the time.

-Cain

[TXlaw1]

Well said GA Heath. In Addition I have to agree with Mr. Cottons previous statements as well as others on this forum that OC if passed will cause a lot more 3006 signs to be displayed.

So did that happen in Arizona when they adopted OC years ago? Did many places post the Arizona version of 30.06 signs? Or when they adopted CC did anything change in AZ?

I can see where some folk might think that would happen but I'd sure like to read of examples from other OC and CC states before jumping to that conclusion.

NOTE: I am not pro-OC at this time. And I do have concerns that there might be more 30.06 "free-fire zones" as a result of OC. But I'd just like to see some evidence of such statements rather than just these conclusive statements.

[safety1]

When a respected Texas based organization backs OC then I will as well, in my opinion it will take a well financed organization that has a relationship with our elected officials if this has any chance of becoming reality. So far all I have seen have been loud mouths that have caused more harm than good. Personally I could care less about OC.org, they do not believe in the small step theory and have no concerns for all the work that has been done to expand our gun rights in Texas prior to them trying to make a name for themselves.

Let’s be honest, many people and an OC organization misrepresent facts regarding OC. As an example they say that Massachusetts is an open carry state. Go ahead and try it, if somebody is actually stupid enough to do it they will find themselves in the prone position very quickly and face serious charges. Because there are not laws on the books against it does not mean it can be done.

If OC is so important then why not start in an Anti State and expend money and resources there, if you can get them to change then the rest will be less of a battle to fight each time.

Those gun owners who disagree with the OC movement are not anti 2nd Amendment, people who spew this just show their ignorance. Until the US Constitution is interpreted as written then people can refer to the 2nd Amendment as a right, which it truly is, unfortunately it has also been legislated as a privilege in the overwhelmingly majority of the States. I prefer to spend my free time wisely and will continue to make phone calls, write letters and send faxes regarding Campus Carry and the Parking Lot Bills when the time is appropriate. Once they are passed then and only then will I look at other items that will enhance our legislated rights. I am done with this topic until 2012…………..

Why does it have to be a respected organization backing it before you will?? I don't understand this thinking.I feel that you either do or you dont.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Well said GA Heath. In Addition I have to agree with Mr. Cottons previous statements as well as others on this forum that OC if passed will cause a lot more 3006 signs to be displayed.

So did that happen in Arizona when they adopted OC years ago? Did many places post the Arizona version of 30.06 signs? Or when they adopted CC did anything change in AZ?

Why look to Arizona to see what might happen in Texas? Why not look to what happened right here in Texas when CHL passed in 1995?

Chas.

[Charles L. Cotton]

When a respected Texas based organization backs OC then I will as well, in my opinion it will take a well financed organization that has a relationship with our elected officials if this has any chance of becoming reality. So far all I have seen have been loud mouths that have caused more harm than good. Personally I could care less about OC.org, they do not believe in the small step theory and have no concerns for all the work that has been done to expand our gun rights in Texas prior to them trying to make a name for themselves.

Let’s be honest, many people and an OC organization misrepresent facts regarding OC. As an example they say that Massachusetts is an open carry state. Go ahead and try it, if somebody is actually stupid enough to do it they will find themselves in the prone position very quickly and face serious charges. Because there are not laws on the books against it does not mean it can be done.

If OC is so important then why not start in an Anti State and expend money and resources there, if you can get them to change then the rest will be less of a battle to fight each time.

Those gun owners who disagree with the OC movement are not anti 2nd Amendment, people who spew this just show their ignorance. Until the US Constitution is interpreted as written then people can refer to the 2nd Amendment as a right, which it truly is, unfortunately it has also been legislated as a privilege in the overwhelmingly majority of the States. I prefer to spend my free time wisely and will continue to make phone calls, write letters and send faxes regarding Campus Carry and the Parking Lot Bills when the time is appropriate. Once they are passed then and only then will I look at other items that will enhance our legislated rights. I am done with this topic until 2012…………..

Why does it have to be a respected organization backing it before you will?? Makes no sense, you either do or you dont. I call that jumping on the "Bandwagon". Once you think OC will have a fighting chance you will support it. This approach is why we are years behind. If somethings worth fighting for....FIGHT FOR IT!!!!

This is perilously close to a personal insult.

It has to be a respected organization so there would be some change of getting it passed, and to keep any bill passed from damaging both open and concealed carry. Bully tactics didn't work too well in 2009.


Chas.