Impeach Obama

[Right2Carry]

Sorry Jim you still haven't proved anything. The statement of Fukino still stands, she never said that Obama was born in Hawaii. Sorry you can't get by that little fact. She purposely did not state that Obama was born in Hawaii so that those like you would blindly follow her statement.

Obama has duped many individuals, just add your name to the list. When the truth comes out and it will, I believe I will get the last laugh.

In case you didn't know it, it's a democrat who has been bringing the lawsuits and he still has 3 pending in the lower courts.

I wonder why Obama would pay lawyers to defend this when all he has to do is produce the paper? I guess he has money to burn just to burn.

I don't have anything to prove, a state official declared that bambam is a ciizen, not Fukino, but the person you claim is using mental telepathy.

And bambam hasn't duped me, I doubt his qualification to be president, but, as I have pointed out numerous times, this particular fight is merely wrassling with the pig, and bambam is the pig.

I don't much care whose bringing the suits, they are Quixotic.

And bambam is paying the lawyers so he can watch you wrassle with the pig while he sneaks in earmarks and anti-gun laws and whatever else he can get away with while people are running around chasing conspiracies. Why would he bother to produce a paper when it serves as such a great distractor.

No state official has declared Obama a natural born citizen. You continue to say one official has but so far you have come up empty handed when trying to prove it.

First you tried to use one Hawaiian official and then when that was debunked you conveniently tried to rely on another official who claims to know what the other official meant to say, LOL. Why not have the first official come out and correct her statement?

You choose to believe your sources while I choose to believe my sources. Time will tell which one of us was right.

[jimlongley]

No state official has declared Obama a natural born citizen. You continue to say one official has but so far you have come up empty handed when trying to prove it.

First you tried to use one Hawaiian official and then when that was debunked you conveniently tried to rely on another official who claims to know what the other official meant to say, LOL. Why not have the first official come out and correct her statement?

You choose to believe your sources while I choose to believe my sources. Time will tell which one of us was right.

Once again you cast this in a "I'm right, you're wrong" light, but I have to wonder just what you mean when in one sentence you say I haven't provided a quote from an official, and in the next you say that the quote is due to one official claiming to know what the other meant. Which is it? Did the official state what you are claiming was based on mental telepathy or not? Is there a quote or is there not?

You never debunked anything in the first place, I was citing the official you say is using telepathy, are you saying that that official is not an official, or are you saying that I was supposed to provide you with name address and telephone number? The article states that a state of Hawaii official has stated that bambam's birth certificate shows him to have been born there, so now it's up to you to prove that official lied, not that that official used special divinatory powers to make the determination.

It's not a matter of believing sources, it's a matter of figuring out the importance of the issue in the overall scheme of things, something you seem not to be very good at.

You can wrassle with the pig all you want, but your constant haid splitting and poorly veiled personal attacks have become recursive and you can just go back through the thread and see all of my answers from here on, this is the last response you'll get from me in this thread.

[Purplehood]

I am going to settle this once and for all. My son said that Obama is the President.

Done.

[Keith B]

Sorry Jim you still haven't proved anything. The statement of Fukino still stands, she never said that Obama was born in Hawaii. Sorry you can't get by that little fact. She purposely did not state that Obama was born in Hawaii so that those like you would blindly follow her statement.

Obama has duped many individuals, just add your name to the list. When the truth comes out and it will, I believe I will get the last laugh.

In case you didn't know it, it's a democrat who has been bringing the lawsuits and he still has 3 pending in the lower courts.

I wonder why Obama would pay lawyers to defend this when all he has to do is produce the paper? I guess he has money to burn just to burn.

I don't have anything to prove, a state official declared that bambam is a ciizen, not Fukino, but the person you claim is using mental telepathy.

And bambam hasn't duped me, I doubt his qualification to be president, but, as I have pointed out numerous times, this particular fight is merely wrassling with the pig, and bambam is the pig.

I don't much care whose bringing the suits, they are Quixotic.

And bambam is paying the lawyers so he can watch you wrassle with the pig while he sneaks in earmarks and anti-gun laws and whatever else he can get away with while people are running around chasing conspiracies. Why would he bother to produce a paper when it serves as such a great distractor.

No state official has declared Obama a natural born citizen. You continue to say one official has but so far you have come up empty handed when trying to prove it.

First you tried to use one Hawaiian official and then when that was debunked you conveniently tried to rely on another official who claims to know what the other official meant to say, LOL. Why not have the first official come out and correct her statement?

You choose to believe your sources while I choose to believe my sources. Time will tell which one of us was right.

OK, what is the TRUE definition of 'Natural Born Citizen'? The phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution. There is no solid legal definition that anyone has been able to pin down.

Until one has been legally defined and upheld in a court of law, then it is all speculation as to what that phrase actually means and we are in this and other threads. I am through until that term is defined.

[brentkhack]

Keith, I think the point you missed, which I clearly did not make effectively, is that a person born on foreign soil is not a natural born citizen of the United States, regardless of the citizenship status of his parents. He may be a naturalized citizen, or otherwise a US Citizen, distinct from a natural born citizen.

I agree. My sister in law was born in Lebanon but to U.S. citizens. It is a joke with the family that she can't run for POTUS. But hey wait a minute! Didn't BHO just prove us wrong on that one. He seems to make us the rules and has a lot of people to help make them up as it benefits him.

[mr.72]

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[solaritx]

I have just started to follow this thread. I heard many reports prior to the election.

Please clarify why a natural born citizen should have any more right to be President than someone who was delivered by C-section?

[Right2Carry]

No state official has declared Obama a natural born citizen. You continue to say one official has but so far you have come up empty handed when trying to prove it.

First you tried to use one Hawaiian official and then when that was debunked you conveniently tried to rely on another official who claims to know what the other official meant to say, LOL. Why not have the first official come out and correct her statement?

You choose to believe your sources while I choose to believe my sources. Time will tell which one of us was right.

Once again you cast this in a "I'm right, you're wrong" light, but I have to wonder just what you mean when in one sentence you say I haven't provided a quote from an official, and in the next you say that the quote is due to one official claiming to know what the other meant. Which is it? Did the official state what you are claiming was based on mental telepathy or not? Is there a quote or is there not?

You never debunked anything in the first place, I was citing the official you say is using telepathy, are you saying that that official is not an official, or are you saying that I was supposed to provide you with name address and telephone number? The article states that a state of Hawaii official has stated that bambam's birth certificate shows him to have been born there, so now it's up to you to prove that official lied, not that that official used special divinatory powers to make the determination.

It's not a matter of believing sources, it's a matter of figuring out the importance of the issue in the overall scheme of things, something you seem not to be very good at.

You can wrassle with the pig all you want, but your constant haid splitting and poorly veiled personal attacks have become recursive and you can just go back through the thread and see all of my answers from here on, this is the last response you'll get from me in this thread.

LOL. You are the one who started the poorly veiled personal attacks by calling people conspiracy theorist, and accusing people of wrestling with a pig ( what does that imply?). You might want to check your own posting for thinly veiled personal attacks before you start accusing others. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I understand your frustration with not being able to provide a single quote from any state official who stated that Barack was born in Hawaii. I do understand how you were misled into believing that little misdirection by the good folks at the health department. Don't feel to bad Jim, many others have been misled also. She was paid very well for that little statement about nothing.

[Kythas]

Without dealing with the other errors in your post,

What other errors are in my post?

Absolutely not true. I was born in South Korea to a mother who was a South Korean citizen and a father who was an American citizen. Since I was premature, and the only 2 incubators in all of South Korea were in a civilian hospital, I was born there.

Since I was not born on a US military installation, which is US soil, I was born a citizen of South Korea, not the United States, even though my father was a US citizen. I had to become a naturalized US citizen and have a Certificate of Citizenship from the US State Department to prove it.

This is the truth. I was born in a civilian hospital in Seoul. My mother was South Korean, my father is American. I was not born a US Citizen. I do not have a Certificate of Live Birth of US Citizen Overseas - I was given a birth certificate by the hospital in Seoul which I had to surrender to the US State Department upon receiving US Citizenship.

Now, if I were born on or after Nov 14, 1986, I would have been born a US citizen. The citizenship law was changed to allow children born abroad to only one parent who is a citizen to be a US citizen. But I was born in 1969, so that doesn't apply to me.

The fact is, anyone born on US soil is a US citizen - hence, all the illegals who come here from Mexico to have anchor babies. Hawaii was US soil at the time Obama was born - therefore, he is a natural born US citizen and meets the Constitutional requirements to hold the office of President.

As far as I know, anyone born on US soil is a US citizen. The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution states, in part, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Hawaii was a US territory at the time Obama was born, hence it's US soil, much as Guam and Puerto Rico. I've heard nothing about Obama being born anywhere other than Hawaii.

The same argument was made against McCain's candidacy by the Left. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone. However, since the PCZ was under US jurisdiction and control - much as US military bases overseas are - it was considered US soil and he is also a natural born US citizen.

This is also true as there was some noise by the Left regarding McCain's eligibility. Congress passed a resolution stating McCain was eligible after this topic was brought up.

Therefore, 72, I don't see where I stated anything inaccurate in my post.

[Kythas]

Keith, I think the point you missed, which I clearly did not make effectively, is that a person born on foreign soil is not a natural born citizen of the United States, regardless of the citizenship status of his parents. He may be a naturalized citizen, or otherwise a US Citizen, distinct from a natural born citizen.

I agree. My sister in law was born in Lebanon but to U.S. citizens. It is a joke with the family that she can't run for POTUS. But hey wait a minute! Didn't BHO just prove us wrong on that one. He seems to make us the rules and has a lot of people to help make them up as it benefits him.

If she were born on or after Nov 14, 1986, she could.

[Kythas]

I just found this little tidbit of US law:

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

This should be an end to this. Unless it can be proven Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii, he is a natural born US citizen and is eligible to be POTUS.

There are plenty of reasons to oppose Obama. Let's not make stuff up as it only dilutes the real reasons he is bad for our Republic.

[rmoraes]

B"H
Yeap, he got there fair and square. Let's give him a chance b4 call the "Year of Obomanation".

[LaserTex]

I swore to obey the orders of the President of the United States and those officers appointed over me. He was not my choice, but I will support him as he is the President. I didn't like Clinton either, but I served under him for 8 years. Obama was sworn in by a Supreme Court Judge (flubs aside, he even did it twice). Until the Supreme Court says that he isn't the President, all the other barking is just little Chihuahua's with no bite. If you don't have bite, you can either "color" or act the fool by barking.

No barking here.

Doug

[bkblaw84]

[brentkhack]

Getting about $400 million from bundled money from overseas during the election, yea I call that fair and square. But besides of a fake cert of live birth, why do you believe he was born in Hawaii? Why would his own grandmother say she saw him born in Kenya? LaserTex would you support a socialist president? We didn't get this far by those policies. I live by the trust but verify motto. More of you should try the same.