Impeach Obama

[KD5NRH]

Eventually the lug nuts got loose enough that the wheels started to fall off, and that's where we are now. Unfortunately for Obama, the wheels were still on, barely, in November 2008.

Anybody else would be smart enough to pull over and walk. Obama's standing on the gas pedal with both feet.

[stevie_d_64]

As was mentioned he hasn't had anything to do with HR45, which isn't a threat to go anyway.
I don't believe that anything he had a legal right to say before he was inaugerated as President is an impeachable offence. Hey, I don't like the guy much, but lets wait till he commits an impeachable offense before we try him.

I didn't vote for the man, but he won fair and square. He deserves a chance.

He deserves a lot of things I can think of. A chance is one of them.

I was thinking "change" instead of "chance"...

[stevie_d_64]

BTW folks...

The one big issue I believe we are missing is not so much the gun-control agenda he supports, but the way he wants to inject the Federal government onto the states fiscal and feduciary (money and budget) processes and our state laws to the issue...

Bobby Jindal got it right on the money for Louisiana...He rejected the entire "stimulus package" because of many thing including the big one...

In accepting the federal stimulus money a state would be required to change its law in regards to the way unemployment funds are collected, maintained and distributed...

A PERMANENT change to the state law, if needed would be required in the acceptance of the unemployment funds in the money going to a state to allow the Federal government to be able to interject its way into how the state does its business, in regards to that money being handled...

Basically the Federal government would dictate policy from here on out...And it would be permanent in how that is done...

The States would have to raise taxes to cover dificiencies in the balance not doled out by the Feds...Therefore when the Fed money is gone (2-3 years tops), states would have to raise taxes (on everyone) to make up for any deficiencies...And when those taxes are raised, it might not necessarily be for just that state...The Feds can distribute higher tax performing states revenue to states that are not performing as well...

Remember the whole "spread the wealth" statement from Obama???

The strings attached by the Feds on this stimulus money are not strings...They are heavy mooring lines used by ships to secure them to piers...

Be mindful of the big picture on this stuff...I believe we are in big trouble, and since former democrat Gov. Rick Perry has decided to accept the stimulus money for Texas...We may have to keep our gas tank full for the duration of this experiment like we do for hurricane season...I want to be able to get out (of where we are) when the bubble bursts to higher ground...

Just my opinion...

[Liberty]

BTW folks...

The one big issue I believe we are missing is not so much the gun-control agenda he supports, but the way he wants to inject the Federal government onto the states fiscal and feduciary (money and budget) processes and our state laws to the issue...

Bobby Jindal got it right on the money for Louisiana...He rejected the entire "stimulus package" because of many thing including the big one...

In accepting the federal stimulus money a state would be required to change its law in regards to the way unemployment funds are collected, maintained and distributed...

A PERMANENT change to the state law, if needed would be required in the acceptance of the unemployment funds in the money going to a state to allow the Federal government to be able to interject its way into how the state does its business, in regards to that money being handled...

Basically the Federal government would dictate policy from here on out...And it would be permanent in how that is done...

The States would have to raise taxes to cover dificiencies in the balance not doled out by the Feds...Therefore when the Fed money is gone (2-3 years tops), states would have to raise taxes (on everyone) to make up for any deficiencies...And when those taxes are raised, it might not necessarily be for just that state...The Feds can distribute higher tax performing states revenue to states that are not performing as well...

Remember the whole "spread the wealth" statement from Obama???

The strings attached by the Feds on this stimulus money are not strings...They are heavy mooring lines used by ships to secure them to piers...

Be mindful of the big picture on this stuff...I believe we are in big trouble, and since former democrat Gov. Rick Perry has decided to accept the stimulus money for Texas...We may have to keep our gas tank full for the duration of this experiment like we do for hurricane season...I want to be able to get out (of where we are) when the bubble bursts to higher ground...

Just my opinion...

There are two types of fundings. One type is for what they are calling shovel ready. These are project oriented funding. For thing like infrastructure. The other type is what I call Pavlov funding, the government provides seed money to the states so we can continue to spend taxpayers money for ever. For instance the Obama wants will provide a lump sum some to help pay some great unemployment benefits. It would require states to make permanent changes in their unemployment compensation laws so that we would have to keep on spending money long after the federal money runs out. These funds are intended to create dependency of the proletariat on the federal and state Government. The funds we don't use will be sucked up by other states. The area I live in has been hit pretty hard. Most of the homes have been damaged Many have been totally destroyed. City and School districts propertys have been damaged. Many folks will not return. We can use any help we can get.

When Perry signed for these funds he did not agree to pass laws ( he can't pass laws or increase any budgets) or make commitments to spend any state money. He signed the right to cherry pick what programs we want to adopt. I think that is fair enough. Perry has made it pretty clear that he isn't going to sign on to any new socialist programs. I tend to take him at his word.

I do agree that Obama needs to be stopped. Its just that wild eyed schemes involving birth certificates isn't registering with me as legitimate.

[jimlongley]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

Actually they only say they have his original birth certificate, no where does she verify he is a United States citizen by birth or is eligible to be POTUS. A child born outside of Hawaii can recieve a certificate of live birth in Hawaii in most circumstances. The Birth certificate long form is what is sealed and that may have some damaging information on it.

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/ ... hcert.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So you're saying bambam was adopted in Hawaii?

Why, pray tell, would Hawaii have his original birth certificate if he wasn't born there?

All you guys sound like the anti-gun nuts with the incessant nit picking and divisional analysis, and they are whiners.

[Oldgringo]

Look, to be fair, GWB was never going to set the world on fire with leadership on the economy. His instinct was to not add more regulation or impediments to business and to make minor suggestions at lowering taxes but he didn't really provide leadership in terms of really reducing spending. The Democrats took control of congress and Bush was not going to spend his dwindling political capital to oppose the Dems spending spree when he had a war to try and win before his time was going to run out and someone without the will to win it was going to inevitably take his place.

There is absolutely no doubt that the economic meltdown has accelerated dramatically since Obama won the election, and especially it has nose-dived since the inauguration. If you can't see that they you are completely blind to reality. But it all started with 9/11, and this country has been on a slow, steady economic decline ever since. It was not just 9/11 that caused it, but that was a definite point of inflection. Eventually the lug nuts got loose enough that the wheels started to fall off, and that's where we are now. Unfortunately for Obama, the wheels were still on, barely, in November 2008. It wouldn't matter if Ronald Reagan were to have time traveled from 1982 to 2008 and run against Obama to victory, whoever was to become the president under these economic conditions was destined to preside over an economic collapse. The Democrats are going to pay the price for this victory.

Kind of like I said before. Sometimes when you win, you really lose. In this case, the Dems may have won the election, but what they have really done is volunteered to take the heat when the economy finishes imploding on their watch. Nobody can fix this now. It's a setup for failure. Couldn't happen to a cleaner, more articulate President.

. Kind of like I've said before, the republicans knew this when they put McCain and Palin forward as our standard bearers. The grand strategy of the GOP was to not win in 2008.

[barres]

BTW folks...

The one big issue I believe we are missing is not so much the gun-control agenda he supports, but the way he wants to inject the Federal government onto the states fiscal and feduciary (money and budget) processes and our state laws to the issue...

Bobby Jindal got it right on the money for Louisiana...He rejected the entire "stimulus package" because of many thing including the big one...

In accepting the federal stimulus money a state would be required to change its law in regards to the way unemployment funds are collected, maintained and distributed...

A PERMANENT change to the state law, if needed would be required in the acceptance of the unemployment funds in the money going to a state to allow the Federal government to be able to interject its way into how the state does its business, in regards to that money being handled...

Basically the Federal government would dictate policy from here on out...And it would be permanent in how that is done...

The States would have to raise taxes to cover dificiencies in the balance not doled out by the Feds...Therefore when the Fed money is gone (2-3 years tops), states would have to raise taxes (on everyone) to make up for any deficiencies...And when those taxes are raised, it might not necessarily be for just that state...The Feds can distribute higher tax performing states revenue to states that are not performing as well...

Remember the whole "spread the wealth" statement from Obama???

The strings attached by the Feds on this stimulus money are not strings...They are heavy mooring lines used by ships to secure them to piers...

Be mindful of the big picture on this stuff...I believe we are in big trouble, and since former democrat Gov. Rick Perry has decided to accept the stimulus money for Texas...We may have to keep our gas tank full for the duration of this experiment like we do for hurricane season...I want to be able to get out (of where we are) when the bubble bursts to higher ground...

Just my opinion...

I can't say anything about unemployment funds, but the stimulus package certainly is sucking money from the states into the federal coffers. My wife works in Accounts Payable for a very large state agency, and she has been informed that, due to stipulations in the stimulus package, starting soon (I forget the exact date) any payment to a vendor of over $10,000.00 must have 3% deducted and payed to the feds. Can you imagine how the vendors are going to react when their invoices for hundreds of thousands of dollars are suddenly being paid 3% short?

[Purplehood]

I can't say anything about unemployment funds, but the stimulus package certainly is sucking money from the states into the federal coffers. My wife works in Accounts Payable for a very large state agency, and she has been informed that, due to stipulations in the stimulus package, starting soon (I forget the exact date) any payment to a vendor of over $10,000.00 must have 3% deducted and payed to the feds. Can you imagine how the vendors are going to react when their invoices for hundreds of thousands of dollars are suddenly being paid 3% short?

Welcome to Sherwood Forest.

[Right2Carry]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

Actually they only say they have his original birth certificate, no where does she verify he is a United States citizen by birth or is eligible to be POTUS. A child born outside of Hawaii can recieve a certificate of live birth in Hawaii in most circumstances. The Birth certificate long form is what is sealed and that may have some damaging information on it.

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/ ... hcert.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So you're saying bambam was adopted in Hawaii?

Why, pray tell, would Hawaii have his original birth certificate if he wasn't born there?

All you guys sound like the anti-gun nuts with the incessant nit picking and divisional analysis, and they are whiners.

They don't say they have his original Hawaii birth certificate, they state they have his birth certificate. If he was adopted in Hawaii then his original birth certificate from the other country becomes part of the long form that is sealed. A certificate of live birth is not his original birth certificate but one that was issued by hawaii. Read up on Certificates of Live Birth from State of Hawaii page that I cited.

Show me where any Hawaiian official has stated that they have his Original Hawaii birth certificate on file.

My son has to produce his birth certificate to play in little league. I wouldn't think it would be a problem for the POTUS to produce his instead of hiding it.

[mr.72]

I wouldn't think it would be a problem for the POTUS to produce his instead of hiding it.

This is the most important point and for all of you who think this is not a legitimate issue I say make the man put up or shut up. If there's nothing to hide, then they wouldn't be hiding it. The fact that it has been so difficult to get the birth certificate issue nailed down invites the speculation that Obama does not have a the legitimate proof that he was a natural born citizen of the USA. If he had it, he sure as heck would have already put this issue to rest by presenting it. Either that or he's a complete fool.

[boomerang]

Welcome to Sherwood Forest.

Starring Timothy Franz Geithner as the Sheriff of Nottingham and Barack Hussein Obama II as King John.

[jimlongley]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

Actually they only say they have his original birth certificate, no where does she verify he is a United States citizen by birth or is eligible to be POTUS. A child born outside of Hawaii can recieve a certificate of live birth in Hawaii in most circumstances. The Birth certificate long form is what is sealed and that may have some damaging information on it.

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/ ... hcert.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So you're saying bambam was adopted in Hawaii?

Why, pray tell, would Hawaii have his original birth certificate if he wasn't born there?

All you guys sound like the anti-gun nuts with the incessant nit picking and divisional analysis, and they are whiners.

They don't say they have his original Hawaii birth certificate, they state they have his birth certificate. If he was adopted in Hawaii then his original birth certificate from the other country becomes part of the long form that is sealed. A certificate of live birth is not his original birth certificate but one that was issued by hawaii. Read up on Certificates of Live Birth from State of Hawaii page that I cited.

Show me where any Hawaiian official has stated that they have his Original Hawaii birth certificate on file.

My son has to produce his birth certificate to play in little league. I wouldn't think it would be a problem for the POTUS to produce his instead of hiding it.

I would thiink so to, but I just don't see it as being anything more than a little tempest in a teapot.

So, you're saying he was adopted in Hawaii?

Nowhere do they state that it is sealed as part of an adoption record, just that they can't release it. Lots of nitpicking and hair splitting, no proof that any problem exists except a possibly well played gambit early in a chess match. Once again, there are a lot more things to fight him with than that which he chooses to tease you with, and that's all he's doing, teasing because he can.

[Right2Carry]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

Actually they only say they have his original birth certificate, no where does she verify he is a United States citizen by birth or is eligible to be POTUS. A child born outside of Hawaii can recieve a certificate of live birth in Hawaii in most circumstances. The Birth certificate long form is what is sealed and that may have some damaging information on it.

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/ ... hcert.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So you're saying bambam was adopted in Hawaii?

Why, pray tell, would Hawaii have his original birth certificate if he wasn't born there?

All you guys sound like the anti-gun nuts with the incessant nit picking and divisional analysis, and they are whiners.

They don't say they have his original Hawaii birth certificate, they state they have his birth certificate. If he was adopted in Hawaii then his original birth certificate from the other country becomes part of the long form that is sealed. A certificate of live birth is not his original birth certificate but one that was issued by hawaii. Read up on Certificates of Live Birth from State of Hawaii page that I cited.

Show me where any Hawaiian official has stated that they have his Original Hawaii birth certificate on file.

My son has to produce his birth certificate to play in little league. I wouldn't think it would be a problem for the POTUS to produce his instead of hiding it.

I would thiink so to, but I just don't see it as being anything more than a little tempest in a teapot.

So, you're saying he was adopted in Hawaii?

Nowhere do they state that it is sealed as part of an adoption record, just that they can't release it. Lots of nitpicking and hair splitting, no proof that any problem exists except a possibly well played gambit early in a chess match. Once again, there are a lot more things to fight him with than that which he chooses to tease you with, and that's all he's doing, teasing because he can.

You may call it teasing, I call it spitting in the face of the Constitution and our founding fathers. I think the citizens of this country have a right to know whether he meets constitutional muster. If he is natural born than fine, but there are legitimate questions about his birthplace with conflicting stories. Once again what is the big deal? My guess is that there is something on the long form that Obama wants to keep hidden even if he is a citizen by birth.

I haven't said he was adopted but that is a possibility. All you have to do is look at the statement from Hawaii and you can tell they are being very ambiguous with regard to Obama's birth certificate. They say they have it, but don't say he is a natural born citizen. They say they have it, but don't claim it is a Hawaiian birth certificate. They say they have it but offer nothing up at all to refute any claims that Obama isn't a natural born citizen.

The statement from the Hawaiian officials proves nothing except that they have his birth certificate. No endorsement of Obama being a natural born citizen was made.

[brentkhack]

You must remember, Obama said the constitution is a flawed document. He was referring to the lack of the Courts to enable "economic justice" to all of us. In my opinion, I think the POTUS requirements is another example of him thinking of our Constitution as a flawed document.

[LaUser]

I wouldn't think it would be a problem for the POTUS to produce his instead of hiding it.

This is the most important point and for all of you who think this is not a legitimate issue I say make the man put up or shut up. If there's nothing to hide, then they wouldn't be hiding it. The fact that it has been so difficult to get the birth certificate issue nailed down invites the speculation that Obama does not have a the legitimate proof that he was a natural born citizen of the USA. If he had it, he sure as heck would have already put this issue to rest by presenting it. Either that or he's a complete fool.

It's all a moot point. Trying to force him to produce a birth certificate was struck down by the Supreme Court. Besides, he is the accused in this matter. The burden of proof is on the accusers. So, do any of the people who say his birth certificate is flawed have proof of that or are they just spreading rumors and hate because they do not like the fact he got elected.

Obama does not have to put up, the accusers do. Forcing the accused to prove their innocence is not what this country is about.