Impeach Obama

[brentkhack]

Hey Jim,
Yes, it may not say to use a valid birth certificate. How else would you prove to be a natural born citizen? The one that is online has been proven false. His own grandmother said he was born in Kenya, she saw his birth. His sister said he was born in two different hospitals in Hawaii. How did he travel to Pakistan in the 80's when American travelers couldn't travel there? When he went to school in Indonesia, dual citizenship wasn't allowed, so he had to deny his so called US citizenship. Why did John McCain have to prove his citizenship but not Obama? Something just isn't right with this.

[jimlongley]

The problem, Jim, is that the other presidents you mention were not issued a court order to provide a birth certificate during the time while they were campaigning, and then refused to provide it. . . .

The reason that the birth certificate thing is worth pursuing is that it is a black and white provable case based on the law, while all of these dotted-line, gray-area guilt by association things are flimsy and theoretical, and not illegal.

So rather than tilting at windmills, I personally think we need to just sit back and let it implode on its own. It won't be long before the Dems in congress are going to begin to throw Obama under the bus themselves.

I couldn't agree more, maybe, the problem to me is the amount of damage that WILL occur before he gets tossed.

Obama didn't really ignore the court order, it was overridden, and thus is moot.

I don't agree that the birth certificate thing is black and white, I see it as the ultimate in grey, a smoke screen obscuring other issues, and while we are concentrating on it, he's sneaking up to stab us with something else.

I have a dog who barks almost incessantly, night and day at the frequency that just happens to irritate my ears the worst, he will stand in the middle of the yard and bark at an empty sky if there is no other impetus to bark, so I fitted him with a "no bark" collar which gives him a shock when he barks. I take it off in the evening and put it back on each morning, but he has learned that it's coming, and tries to find various ways to avoid it - obviously he's not getting the point - so these days I resort to subterfuge to put the collar on. I get the other dogs riled up by playing with them and of course he has to be right in the middle, at which point I grab him and put on the collar, and then we have an hour or so of "bark YIKE!" before he decides to stop barking until it's off again.

I have a feeling this birth certificate thing is just such a subterfuge, even if he is a Chicago politician, and by definition dishonest, he's sitting there laughing at us because we think there is something really important going on, while it's merely a smoke screen being held in reserve.

And while I agree that he should have proved his citizenship better than he did, I still think it's a low level issue that will accomplish nothing, it's stuff that needed to be taken care of before he became the annointed candidate instead of one of the contenders.

[mr.72]

Well, the citizenship thing is indeed a clear cut issue, either he is a natural born citizen or he is not. However, it is tilting at windmills because there is absolutely no way that the Supreme Court are going to invalidate the election of the first black president over his citizenship status. Nobody in America has the political will to do that. Whomever does will be labeled as a racist and trying to find some minor technicality to throw a black man out of the white house.

This is a case of lose-lose. Either we lose by giving up and concede that Obama doesn't have to prove his citizenship status, or we lose by winning, demonstrating that he is not a natural-born citizen, and then he still doesn't get thrown out of the white house and we all look like a bunch of racists. Better to lose by concession in this case.

[Purplehood]

Well, the citizenship thing is indeed a clear cut issue, either he is a natural born citizen or he is not. However, it is tilting at windmills because there is absolutely no way that the Supreme Court are going to invalidate the election of the first black president over his citizenship status. Nobody in America has the political will to do that. Whomever does will be labeled as a racist and trying to find some minor technicality to throw a black man out of the white house.

This is a case of lose-lose. Either we lose by giving up and concede that Obama doesn't have to prove his citizenship status, or we lose by winning, demonstrating that he is not a natural-born citizen, and then he still doesn't get thrown out of the white house and we all look like a bunch of racists. Better to lose by concession in this case.

But then we have precedent for the Arnold to become Prez. Hoo-rah~!

[gregthehand]

[jimlongley]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

[flintknapper]

I think everyone should cut Obama "a little slack".

After all: This is his first real job!

[Keith B]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

If you will check out the Snopes link in my previous post on this, you will find that is in there along with a image of his birth announcement.

[Oldgringo]

As I said a long time ago, Barack Hussein Obama is the new POTUS - win, lose or draw.

[jimlongley]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

If you will check out the Snopes link in my previous post on this, you will find that is in there along with a image of his birth announcement.

Yup, but I was looking in places other than Snopes.

[Captain Matt]

[austin]

Not sure what "crap" you're talking about and what restrictions? The guy's been in office, what? A month? Last I heard the President's administration was in support of the new National Park concealed carry law. Sounds like they are initially supporting our gun rights to me. Did I miss something?
Personally, before I rally around the impeachment flag (again) I think I'll wait for him to have an affair and lie about it... or start a useless war.

No, they are not in support of gun rights at all.

The Obama Administration is only defending it because it wants to keep the right to make regulatory rules. That's what that case is about.

You must be one of those Obama-paid-push trollers .

[Right2Carry]

How about this little tidbit that I just came across?

HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family. ...

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

Actually they only say they have his original birth certificate, no where does she verify he is a United States citizen by birth or is eligible to be POTUS. A child born outside of Hawaii can recieve a certificate of live birth in Hawaii in most circumstances. The Birth certificate long form is what is sealed and that may have some damaging information on it.

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

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[cowboymd]

But Obama just ignored the court order and did not offer any proof that would silence the critics. The court that ordered Obama to produce the document obviously thought it was a valid request.

Fact: The Supreme Court dismissed without comment a New Jersey suit seeking to block the presidential inauguration of Barack Obama over allegations he's not a natural-born American. Also, the same, now defunct suit by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey charged that John McCain is not a native-born American either so couldn't become president. (His father, a career Naval officer, was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone where McCain was born.) That was dismissed also. It appears these law suits were generated because of sour grapes, politics. One of the plaintiffs did not agree with the election outcome.

Obama and the Dems controlling the congress during the worst economic situation in a generation is the best thing that could possibly happen for the future of the Republican party. So rather than tilting at windmills, I personally think we need to just sit back and let it implode on its own. It won't be long before the Dems in congress are going to begin to throw Obama under the bus themselves.

Fact: Housing foreclosures greatly increased and the economy tanked during when George W Bush administration. Obama and the Democratic Congress inherited the mess.

Fact: I, my 401K and the company I work for were doing immensely better until 2 years ago. That would be about the time the Democrats took control of Congress. Now I have to fear the fact the Democrats have even more power. Hopefully this will be changed in 2010 if we aren't all having to learn to speak Chinese or Russian by then.

[mr.72]

Look, to be fair, GWB was never going to set the world on fire with leadership on the economy. His instinct was to not add more regulation or impediments to business and to make minor suggestions at lowering taxes but he didn't really provide leadership in terms of really reducing spending. The Democrats took control of congress and Bush was not going to spend his dwindling political capital to oppose the Dems spending spree when he had a war to try and win before his time was going to run out and someone without the will to win it was going to inevitably take his place.

There is absolutely no doubt that the economic meltdown has accelerated dramatically since Obama won the election, and especially it has nose-dived since the inauguration. If you can't see that they you are completely blind to reality. But it all started with 9/11, and this country has been on a slow, steady economic decline ever since. It was not just 9/11 that caused it, but that was a definite point of inflection. Eventually the lug nuts got loose enough that the wheels started to fall off, and that's where we are now. Unfortunately for Obama, the wheels were still on, barely, in November 2008. It wouldn't matter if Ronald Reagan were to have time traveled from 1982 to 2008 and run against Obama to victory, whoever was to become the president under these economic conditions was destined to preside over an economic collapse. The Democrats are going to pay the price for this victory.

Kind of like I said before. Sometimes when you win, you really lose. In this case, the Dems may have won the election, but what they have really done is volunteered to take the heat when the economy finishes imploding on their watch. Nobody can fix this now. It's a setup for failure. Couldn't happen to a cleaner, more articulate President.