Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

[K.Mooneyham]

A survey that Lt. Cmd. Ernest Guy Cunningham gave on May 10, 1994 at 29 Palms Naval Base in California.

https://www.29palmssurvey.com/survey.html


46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these fireamis to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to tum over their firearms. Consider the following statement:

I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government
(_____) (____) (_____) (______) (____)
Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion

I was in the USAF during that time. I vaguely remember hearing about that survey. Do you have any info about the results of that survey, by chance?

[Ruark]

A survey that Lt. Cmd. Ernest Guy Cunningham gave on May 10, 1994 at 29 Palms Naval Base in California.

https://www.29palmssurvey.com/survey.html


46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these fireamis to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to tum over their firearms. Consider the following statement:

I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government
(_____) (____) (_____) (______) (____)
Strongly disagree Disagree Agree Strongly agree No opinion

I was in the USAF during that time. I vaguely remember hearing about that survey. Do you have any info about the results of that survey, by chance?

61% said they wouldn't fire. 26% said they would. 12% had no opinion.

The survey was taken of 300 active duty Marines. According to this article, on the above question, 42.3 percent strongly disagreed with this statement; 19.3 percent disagreed; 18.6 percent agreed; 7.6 percent strongly agreed; and 12.0 percent had no opinion. It would be interesting to see the results from a survey of Army or National Guard personnel. A repeat might be useful, too: this was done 27 years ago.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd/29palms-mcmanus.htm

[wil]

Somebody ask the Afghan Tribesmen how they pushed the Russians out of their country without the benefit of MIG-29s and Nuclear Weapons, Enguiring Minds want to know?

amongst many factors they had outside help, which put stinger missiles into thier hands and gave them the means to defeat soviet attack helicopters which were up to that point kicking their asses.

Once they had those, the fight changed to roughly their advantage.

we don't have the man-portable capabilities they did and that is the difference.

The Russians weren't really winning before the stinger missiles. They had great difficulty supplying their forces in country and had to fly most things in. But after the CIA supplied training and stinger missiles the Russian position was untenable.James Madison wrote about the situation in Federalist 46:

Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.

Winning is not quite the proper word, they were able to dominate the situation via air-power until the stingers showed up.
they could pretty much control an area via combined arms, air-power and ground forces.

Until the stingers showed up, the locals were taking terrible death rates owing to the attack helos, as well as russian ability to make an airborne assault on a given location, resupply, reinforce, etc. Neither could the locals effectively utilize home-field advantage in terms of movement and terrain owing to this.

Stingers made the russians have to fly at night which limited what the russians could do, and gave the locals something of an advantage in the overall situation in terms of being much more able to use home-field advantage.

The point of this being we don't have the combative ability as an armed public the afghani's had, they also had much heavier man-portable weapons than we have access to, mortars, RPG's, belt-fed, etc.

We are hopefully slowly developing towards things such as this with current political events and especially laws being enacted in this state. Current laws having been recently enacted in this state may very well be the beginnings of ourselves as an armed public having a genuine home-field advantage in terms of a safe sanctuary physically as well as politically and culturally, that remains to be seen however where we are now is a starting point.

It also may be the beginnings of ourselves as an armed public that we are starting down the road to being genuinely armed in the proper sense of the 2nd amendment, which at the very least means the ability to own and bear any man-portable weapon we can. To bear something in the proper sense of the word as used in that amendment means to physically possess and use, hence man-portable. And that alone brings a lot of capability into the picture for an armed public.

Man-portable? A short list;
stinger missiles.
Bazooka
Rpg
belt-fed
select-fire rifles.
any rifle
any handgun
sub guns
hand grenades
explosives
claymores

that's just the short list, what ability does that present? Coupled with a safe sanctuary to operate from and also presents home-field advantage?

how much of that do we currently have? none other than shoulder fired rifles and handguns.

we do have the advantage of numbers and geographic location, in terms of how spread out we are and the area we could possibly control.

[Jeff B.]

I am convinced that this entire subject, and threats from the top down, are why the political left are so enraged by the "2A Sanctuary" movement. The US military is NOT a reliable mechanism to enforce hard-core gun control. The armed Federal agencies do NOT have anywhere near enough personnel even if every last one of them were put to the task of confiscating firearms. The Feds are reliant on state and local law enforcement resources and personnel to aid them even in much more modest efforts. Without those resources, the task is simply beyond herculean, and THE LEFT KNOWS IT!

I think that there’s a greater danger that rises up with a decision to use Federal Troops in an anti-gun enforcement role.

First, is the damage and internal fragmentation that will occur due to an order(s) to do so.
Second, some Commanders may opt to “sit it out” and simply
not do anything.
Third, if force or intimidation or some other coercion is attempted, you could well have units act to defend the Constitution. And that could range from protective custody for naughty men and women to outright direct action against opposing forces.

I think the likelihood of the military simply going along with un Constitutional is very, very low. Also, IMO, the most dangerous officers in such a fluid situation will be the Colonel/O6’s that have direct command of line units/planes/ships.

Jeff B.

[Chemist45]

So when "Biden reminds gun owners that the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons"
Am I the only one thinking of the scene from Blazing Saddles where the sheriff holds a gun to his own head and says "Nobody move or the (Sheriff) gets it"?

Biden's statement makes as much sense as the scene above.
I can't think of anyone, alive or dead, who would be crazy (or stupid) enough to nuke his own country.

[JustSomeOldGuy]

Who's writing the scripting for Biden's teleprompter? Eric Swalwell?

[AndyC1911]

Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

He sounds paranoid or feels guilty about something - why would he even say that out of the blue?

[philip964]

The meme boys are quick.

[K.Mooneyham]

Who's writing the scripting for Biden's teleprompter? Eric Swalwell?

I was thinking the same thing.

[wil]

Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

He sounds paranoid or feels guilty about something - why would he even say that out of the blue?

Because that is what they are thinking but not openly saying.

Evil people will tell you what they are thinking, you just have to let yourself listen. Too many people make the mistake of viewing them through the eyes of rational thought, hence the idea of nuking your own country is akin to outright insanity.

For them it is not insanity, it is what they would do. The same type of government orchestrated mass murder as has been done by leftists many times before, the only difference being a more effective means this time rather than rifles or gas chambers.
They have said many times they intend to mass murder anyone who does not go along with their agenda, biden and swallwell simply made the mistake of openly stating how far they think they will have to go owing to current developments culturally and hence politically.

For ourselves to think in such fashion is so far outside rational thought we just cant comprehend it, despite the historical record of leftism, it's inherent totalitarian rule and inevitable government orchestrated mass murder.

Hence the questions as to his comments.

Why are they thinking things such as this?

Owing to cultural and hence political developments in the country. 2nd amendment sanctuary legislation being one major example, be it city, county, or state level.

Things like that are a game-changer in terms of the agenda they intend to force on the public and legislation such as that represent a major cultural shift within the public and the left is extremely aware of this.

Add our suppressor legislation and the secession bill and the left knows what that means within the public mindset.
They are scared of developments such as that as they know full well where developments such as that will lead to.

These developments stand directly in the face of what they intend to do and put the public in a position to directly deal with them on a basis of confrontation where the public is not helpless, and even more so is in a position to deal with them on something akin to a basis of strength.

That is what they are scared of and why they are thinking about things such as this.

[Keith B]

[Chemist45]

[Keith B]

Meanwhile, in neighborhoods all across the country….

[RottenApple]

Personally, I've lost all patience with these "people". We used to give "stupid" people the benefit of the doubt. This is what lead to warning labels like Cruise Control is not autopilot (Winnebago), only to be used externally (curing irons & Preparation-H), don't drink the liquid out of the battery (almost every car manufacturer), and countless others. Well, now the "stupid" people are in relative control. Let's remove the warning labels and let nature take it's course. I guarantee the Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Marxists, etc., will exterminate themselves in less than 1 generation.

[pushpullpete]

Biden reminds gun owners the government has F-15’s and nuclear weapons

He sounds paranoid or feels guilty about something - why would he even say that out of the blue?

Sir, honest question. What leads you to believe its out of the blue ? There appears to be/have been an agenda for quite awhile.
Like Beto, I just figure he could no longer contain himself and felt the need to verbalize.