It's pretty hard to shoot yourself if you don't have a gun.
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"A study of 700,000 first-time handgun buyers found that, on average, they were were nine times as likely to later deliberately shoot themselves than non-buyers were https://nyti.ms/2Mt4DRW".
Well I think the key word is "deliberately". I think you are much more likely to deliberately shoot yourself with a gun....if you have a gun. As mentioned...water is wet.
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"Deliberately shoot themselves". This is playing the suicide card against firearms availability and ownership. Seems to me that criminals who want to commit violent crime and folks that have suicidal thoughts (suicide=homicide=illegal) are not entirely stupid -- they see firearms as an appropriate tool for their intended use. I can argue against their intended use, but I can't disagree with their tool assessment. Their bad decisions that drive them to firearms use should not be a factor driving public policy for law-abiding citizens.
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RPBrown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:57 am
OMG, I guess I will have to give my 1st purchased gun back. Oops, I am doomed. I no longer have my 1st purchased gun.
I no longer have the first handgun I purchased so I am safe already. I look down on you unsafe plebeians.
RPBrown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:57 am
OMG, I guess I will have to give my 1st purchased gun back. Oops, I am doomed. I no longer have my 1st purchased gun.
Did you lose it in a tragic boating accident?
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I am sure you all know better, and it sure is amusing to poke fun at the NY Times (one of the worst papers in my opinion), but there are non gun buyers who use guns to commit suicide. You don't have to buy a gun to get one. You could use a friend's or family members. You could steal one. And there have been a few documented cases where someone rented a gun at a gun range just to commit suicide with it.
For this to be useful science, the question that needs to be asked is what the time delay is and what the real numbers (not statistical percentages) are. Of first time gun buyers, how many did commit suicide with the gun in the first week, month, year, etc.? In other words, how many people go out and buy a gun just to commit suicide with it? Then they would need to show where the others got the gun too.
I am sure we could not do anything to stop it, but how often does it happen, and how soon after buying the gun. If we found a significant number did it within 24 hours after buying the gun, it might actually lend supprot to the idea of a waiting period. I still am against that, but I would like to see some scientific research into it.