The most noteworthy change for enthusiasts is that the inventory of transferred firearms , with serial numbers and descriptions, come at the top of page 1 instead of buried on the previous version’s second page. Total fields are available for guns is three instead of the previous form’s four.
“Non-binary” is added in the sex field options,
The section inquiring if the transferee is under indictment for a felony would also now ask, “…or are you a current member of the military who has been charged with violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and whose charges have been referred to a General Court Martial?”
In addition, the question regarding whether the person has ever been convicted of a misdemeanor of domestic violence would, if approved, include,“…or are you or have you ever been a member of the military and been convicted of a crime that included, as an element, the use of force against a person as identified in the instructions?”
Hopefully the NRA, other gun rights organizations and individuals are engaged in opposing these unnecessary changes and further infringements by the ATF bureaucracy.
The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:42 pm
I’m guessing that the third item is direct fallout from the Sutherland Springs church shooting.
Exactly what I thought when read #3. However, this rule change means nothing until military records are shared for purposes of NICS checks and/or prosecution is brought to people who know they will fail NICS but try to purchase guns anyway.
LDP wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:00 pm
And I have to wonder about the reason for item #2.
If the question can be left unanswered by offering some "other" options then what is the true point of the question?
Whenever I see a box labeled "Sex" on any form, I try to fill in "I LIKE". *shrug*
The info on the 4473 needs to match exactly to the ID you provide the FFL. Some states are now issuing licenses with the "non binary" designation, so, if the 4473 only had male/female, those with non-binary designation on their state issued ID's would be unable to complete an FFL transaction legally.
This particular issue was caused by the states and ATF did what they need to do to remedy it. I may be not yet completely woke regarding non-binary things, but I don't want to do anything to discourage any law abiding person from owning the means for self-protection, so, kudos to ATF on this one.
I am not a lawyer. This is NOT legal advice.! Nothing tempers idealism quite like the cold bath of reality.... SQLGeek
I see the rationale behind 2 and 3. 2 makes perfect sense from a state ID standpoint. 3 is an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction, but I get it as a point of clarification in the event that the ATF needs to charge someone for lying on a 4473. Now item number 1 needs to be updated by added a second page full of lines for those times I need to buy 30+ in a single transaction. You never know, right?
In 2018 there were 112,000 NICS Denials, and 12 were prosecuted. Instead of changing the verbiage on a 4473, how about prosecutors start doing their job. On top of that Changing the wording on the 4473 still does absolutely nothing towards prosecuting folks that lie on their 4473.
jb2012 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:18 pm
In 2018 there were 112,000 NICS Denials, and 12 were prosecuted. Instead of changing the verbiage on a 4473, how about prosecutors start doing their job. On top of that Changing the wording on the 4473 still does absolutely nothing towards prosecuting folks that lie on their 4473.
Do you happen to know how many of the 112K denials in 2018 pertain to questions on the 4473?
jb2012 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:18 pm
In 2018 there were 112,000 NICS Denials, and 12 were prosecuted. Instead of changing the verbiage on a 4473, how about prosecutors start doing their job. On top of that Changing the wording on the 4473 still does absolutely nothing towards prosecuting folks that lie on their 4473.
Do you happen to know how many of the 112K denials in 2018 pertain to questions on the 4473?
LDP wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:00 pm
And I have to wonder about the reason for item #2.
If the question can be left unanswered by offering some "other" options then what is the true point of the question?
Whenever I see a box labeled "Sex" on any form, I try to fill in "I LIKE". *shrug*
The info on the 4473 needs to match exactly to the ID you provide the FFL. Some states are now issuing licenses with the "non binary" designation, so, if the 4473 only had male/female, those with non-binary designation on their state issued ID's would be unable to complete an FFL transaction legally.
This particular issue was caused by the states and ATF did what they need to do to remedy it. I may be not yet completely woke regarding non-binary things, but I don't want to do anything to discourage any law abiding person from owning the means for self-protection, so, kudos to ATF on this one.
An EO could remedy that. Not like there's nothing else going on, but it could be a blanket for all agencies and all forms.
LDP wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:00 pm
And I have to wonder about the reason for item #2.
If the question can be left unanswered by offering some "other" options then what is the true point of the question?
Whenever I see a box labeled "Sex" on any form, I try to fill in "I LIKE". *shrug*
I must be getting older. I would write,"depends on what is on TV".
LDP wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:00 pm
And I have to wonder about the reason for item #2.
If the question can be left unanswered by offering some "other" options then what is the true point of the question?
Whenever I see a box labeled "Sex" on any form, I try to fill in "I LIKE". *shrug*
I must be getting older. I would write,"depends on what is on TV".
No. "Depends" is what you answer when asked, "Do you wear boxers or briefs?"
Mel
Airworthiness Inspector specializing in Experimental and Light-Sport Aircraft since the last Century.
LDP wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:00 pm
And I have to wonder about the reason for item #2.
If the question can be left unanswered by offering some "other" options then what is the true point of the question?
Whenever I see a box labeled "Sex" on any form, I try to fill in "I LIKE". *shrug*
I must be getting older. I would write,"depends on what is on TV".
No. "Depends" is what you answer when asked, "Do you wear boxers or briefs?"
Oh my! I am not quite there just yet.But I have started paying more attention to the commercials. Just in case.
The proposed new 4473 also reduces the number of firearms listed on it from 4 to 3./quote]
True, but continuation pages are easy to fill out and attach. I work in a gun shop and at least 90% of our 4473's are for 1 or 2 guns. I recently did a 4473 for 12 firearms and it wasn't an issue to add 2 continuation pages. Currently the continuation page is just another copy of page 3 which has space for 4 firearms. The new 4473 proposal allows for continuation pages for additional firearms.
