The Master Gun Control Plan

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Re: The Master Gun Control Plan

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thatguyoverthere wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:38 am As some others have said, that's the way I see it going, too, if the ban somehow were to be passed. That is, few turned in voluntarily, even fewer forcibly confiscated.

So, thru non-enforcement, you might get to keep your "illegal" weapon. But you won't be able to use it: if you take it to the range, you get turned in and arrested; if you use it for self defense, you get arrested for using an "illegal" gun; accessories and replacement parts supplies dry up (after all, no one is supposed to have that "illegal" gun); ammo supplies dry up (again, no one has this "illegal" gun, right?).

Then we, the generation who grew up with this "illegal" gun, die off. Our kids and grandkids don't want these "illegal" guns that we leave them, because they are raising a young family themselves and don't want to take the chance of being caught possessing one of these "illegal" guns. So the gun-grabbers win in the long run simply by being patient - no muss, no fuss.
:iagree: If you want to keep them your gonna have to use them.
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thatguyoverthere wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:40 am Here's a thought that just hit me. I'm no historian, so an honest question here. And I know it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but the answer might be of some interest in relation to the current situation: how did it go when fully auto machine guns and short barrel rifles and shotguns were effectively banned with the GCA of 1934?
They were not actually banned at that time. They were required to be registered. That was the first step toward banning them.
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rtschl wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:02 am I have often wondered if part of the master gun control plan by the left is to allow the criminal use of guns to escalate so as to help manufacture a tipping point of crisis. Taking the "never let a crisis go to waste" to an all new level.

Why aren't liberal cities and states aggressively prosecuting crimes by prohibited possessors of guns? Why do liberals continually reject laws and enforcement of laws that would get these criminals off the streets? Examples like Chicago arrests of prohibited possessors (i.e. gang members) repeatedly not charged with higher felony of use and possession of guns; Houston shooting of officer this week was by guy released without paying bail for attempted car jacking; Democratic members of Congress rejecting laws that like Red Flags on gang members and illegal aliens, and on and on I could go. Numerous instances of leftist in the legal system not doing their job - many of the very ones clamoring to "do something".

I don't actually think most of these people want anyone to die in order to achieve their goal of gun control, but it sure makes me wonder when thousands of instances where something could actually be done by those on the left, and they don't.
:iagree: it’s almost so obvious even the oblivious can see what they are doing. After empowering the slaughter of millions of unborn children why would they care about how many criminals and their victims die if it advances agenda.
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03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:19 pm
thatguyoverthere wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:40 am Here's a thought that just hit me. I'm no historian, so an honest question here. And I know it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but the answer might be of some interest in relation to the current situation: how did it go when fully auto machine guns and short barrel rifles and shotguns were effectively banned with the GCA of 1934?
They were not actually banned at that time. They were required to be registered. That was the first step toward banning them.
Since the $200 registration tax on NFA weapons was the equivalent of $3800 today, it was very close to a ban. Imagine a $3800 tax on a handgun, alo ng with a yearlong wait for registration today. I'd call it a 99% ban. Now time for a $1,000,000 tax on each 'blog site' (the modern printing press)...just a simple exercise of power to regulate interstate commerce....
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"
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Re: The Master Gun Control Plan

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ScottDLS wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:04 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:19 pm
thatguyoverthere wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:40 am Here's a thought that just hit me. I'm no historian, so an honest question here. And I know it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but the answer might be of some interest in relation to the current situation: how did it go when fully auto machine guns and short barrel rifles and shotguns were effectively banned with the GCA of 1934?
They were not actually banned at that time. They were required to be registered. That was the first step toward banning them.
Since the $200 registration tax on NFA weapons was the equivalent of $3800 today, it was very close to a ban. Imagine a $3800 tax on a handgun, alo ng with a yearlong wait for registration today. I'd call it a 99% ban. Now time for a $1,000,000 tax on each 'blog site' (the modern printing press)...just a simple exercise of power to regulate interstate commerce....
That is true. I was reading about the law on a web site that said the purpose was to discourage people getting one due to cost. Until I just saw your post, I really did not think about the amount. 200 dollars was a whole lot of money in those days. Your right.
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