Anything the government does with secret court processes is guaranteed to be antithetical to freedom.rotor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:27 pm I understand the angst of these orders but realistically how do you handle a family member that is mentally deranged and armed? One that you actually fear may use a firearm to hurt themselves or others but one that you personally can not take their firearms. There are actually very bad people out there that we may personally know and yet we have no control over what they might do. Obviously it should take a court and legal procedure but right now what do we have? We all have to be realistic that there are people that should not have firearms.
We have and have had for many years courts and compulsory psychiatric evaluations to manage these problems. They work fine when they're used, and they are much harder to misuse than the red flag end around the constitution. That's what due process is all about.
The red flag secret seizure orders are even better than swatting for grievously harming someone a given person doesn't like because, unlike swatting, they're "legal", and just as dangerous to the subject and to the officers tasked with carrying the order out.
You can also be sure they are designed as another camel's nose under the tent, with continuous expansion of scope once they've been established.
