Hillary on Heller (from the 3rd Debate)

[J.R.@A&M]

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/19/no- ... -toddlers/

Summarizes why I am voting for Trump.

[TVGuy]

I was so angry when Trump didn't destroy her on her response to the first question. It was on 2A and she cited the famous and non-existent "Gun Show Loophole" and the even bigger lie of the "Internet Sale Loophole". Anyone with half a brain and a slight amount of knowledge on the subject could have and should have taken her down right there with their response. Just something as simple as "Hillary, please explain this internet sale loophole you talk about." would have done the job.

[Soccerdad1995]

If we take her at her word, she wants to also ban the police from having guns. She said that she wanted to stop the "33,000" gun deaths per year. And that number includes police shootings of criminals, along with cases of self defense, etc. So in a perfect world where she could snap her fingers and all guns would magically disappear, she would eliminate 33,000 deaths by gun (itself an exaggerated number), and offset it by an increased number of deaths caused by criminals who are not stopped by armed citizens or by police. Does any rational, reasonably intelligent human actually believe that the point of gun control is to "save" lives?

My working theory is that the majority of democrats are just naïve and ignorant, but they are not bad people at their core. They might even be somewhat intelligent, but they are child like in that their decisions are governed primarily by emotion and not by facts.

Democratic leaders, on the other hand, are intelligent, and they are focused on subduing the populace with a sole focus on increasing their personal power and wealth as much as possible.

[J.R.@A&M]

If we take her at her word, she wants to also ban the police from having guns. She said that she wanted to stop the "33,000" gun deaths per year. And that number includes police shootings of criminals, along with cases of self defense, etc. So in a perfect world where she could snap her fingers and all guns would magically disappear, she would eliminate 33,000 deaths by gun (itself an exaggerated number), and offset it by an increased number of deaths caused by criminals who are not stopped by armed citizens or by police. Does any rational, reasonably intelligent human actually believe that the point of gun control is to "save" lives?

My working theory is that the majority of democrats are just naïve and ignorant, but they are not bad people at their core. They might even be somewhat intelligent, but they are child like in that their decisions are governed primarily by emotion and not by facts.

Democratic leaders, on the other hand, are intelligent, and they are focused on subduing the populace with a sole focus on increasing their personal power and wealth as much as possible.

Yes, but other than that she believes in the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense.

[Hoodasnacks]

To me this example was depressing. Trump was too dumb to know what that case was about. He was not prepared. He cannot articulate the most basic arguments regarding the constitution (it was the same on the abortion questions). I can only conclude that he can't do it because he has never believed it in his life...which also makes it so I do not trust his promises.

How hard would it be to say--does anyone in America think that an adult (living on their own or responsible for their family) does not have the right to protect themselves in one of the most dangerous cities in America? The DC ban prevented it, it was unconstitutional, and Hillary wants to overturn that decision.

Trump is a complete disaster whose only redeeming value is that Hillary is a much larger disaster.

[flechero]

Trump is a complete disaster whose only redeeming value is that Hillary is a much larger disaster.

And sadly, that's not even enough to get him the win...

[striker55]

Hillary said she was for the second amendment, not what I've read. And kept saying she wanted to protect children. Best thing Trump said all night was that she was a proven liar. Hillary is a professional speaker and could trip up Donald, but not enough to change my vote. One more thing, she will say anything to get votes, in front of gun enthusiast she is for the second amendment, in front of other groups she is for gun confiscation.

[allisji]

copied and pasted my comment from the Trump or Clinton Thread.

I can't believe that she can even say the words "right to bear arms". She talks about the years that she spent in Arkansas and says that she understands the value of gun ownership, then she talks about Heller and DC and about how the Supreme Court is wrong about the 2nd Amendment and how she wants to see more limitations on safe storage, etc (which probably means having unloaded weapon. And obviously we all know the bull in her claims about how she wants to see "comprehensive background checks", and close the "online loophole", and close the "gun show loophole". Just come out and what you mean... You "would like to see private firearms transfers subjected to background checks", and then tell us how that is going to get guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals (here's a clue... it isn't.)!

eta: I wish that someone would press her to define the difference between "gun ownership" and "bearing arms" then watch her squirm

[rotor]

Since the 2nd amendment is to allow us to protect ourselves from government (it's not for stocking the freezer) why do the democrats want to disarm us?

[chamberc]

If we take her at her word, she wants to also ban the police from having guns..

Interestingly, I think most of us would support police having to follow the same restrictions as non-police. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Now of course, no restrictions would be better.

[allisji]

Since the 2nd amendment is to allow us to protect ourselves from government (it's not for stocking the freezer) why do the democrats want to disarm us?

It appears that they believe that anything written before "The Communist Manifesto" no longer should apply. They disavow Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, the US Constitution, as well as the Holy Bible. They recognize the manifesto, The Origin of Species, and 1984. Oh and they make an exception for the Qu'ran, because they'll kill you.

[Bitter Clinger]

Since the 2nd amendment is to allow us to protect ourselves from government (it's not for stocking the freezer) why do the democrats want to disarm us?