What are you afraid of?

[Middle Age Russ]

Coming from someone who votes Democrat while still supporting gun rights, don't any of you think that it might be possible that if the Republican party stopped pushing to pass laws infringing on constitutionally afforded rights that aren't the second ammendment (as decided by the supreme court) things might improve a little?

To some degree, I can agree with your idea that polarization in the political sphere is a result of the actions on either side of the aisle. Where your arguments run off the rail for me is where you seem to be conflating legal definitions with rights. Natural rights are not so limited as a right to healthcare, a right to marry, and the like. The Bill of Rights enshrined in US law many of the natural rights that our Founders deemed most prone to be trod upon by an overbearing government -- all to help ensure a limited government and individual rights long-term.

You also mention such Republican traits as "overbearing religous morality, anti-science, heartless self interest, and wall building". I for one don't think these are Republican traits, but then again I try to look past what the 24/7 news tells me and think more about human nature, cause and effect. In a free society, it could be argued that antireligious amorality, science as religion and open borders are equally repugnant traits to some people, and that the party embodying them best is the Democrats. As for heartless self interest, I am firmly convinced that the political class as a whole, regardless of party affiliation, embodies this trait.

[NiMexicatl]

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[Skiprr]

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[bblhd672]

Coming from someone who votes Democrat while still supporting gun rights, don't any of you think that it might be possible that if the Republican party stopped pushing to pass laws infringing on constitutionally afforded rights that aren't the second ammendment (as decided by the supreme court) things might improve a little?

Gay marraige, abortion laws under the guise of womens health, etc. Why are these things always a hot topic? Why is universal healthcare a problem? Most sensible non-BLM supporting liberals see things in a similar light as most other sensible people. People's rights shouldn't be trampled on, especially those deemed to be fortified by the constitution and that people deserve a little common decency.

While we all have arguments over things that shouldn't even be an argument everytging becomes polarized. Don't you expect a little bit of pushback when there are a few more ammendments than just the second?

A more moderate party draws votes, and in a two party system votes influence platforms. A republican party that isn't infected with overbearing religous morality, anti-science, heartless self interest, and wall building might just make for a democratic party that isn't infected with antigun, black lives matter, make everyone feel like a snowflake, hand outedness.

I don't deny there's an issue on our side of things. Just that you can't have a group of people go off the deep end and not expect some people on the other side to respond in kind.

I'll make you a deal...get the Democrats/Liberals/Progressives to start treating the Constitution like it was written and intended, and I'll consider giving your suggestions fair consideration. Many, many posters on this forum are not "single issue" people only interested in the 2nd Amendment. Equally at risk of being rendered invalid by Democrats/Liberals/Progressives are the 1st, 4th, 9th and 10th amendments - and I believe that there are plenty of people on this forum who feel likewise.