Is the Gadsden flag racist?

As the name indicates, this is the place for gun-related political discussions. It is not open to other political topics.

Moderators: carlson1, Charles L. Cotton

User avatar

joe817
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 9316
Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 7:13 pm
Location: Arlington

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#31

Post by joe817 »

Abraham wrote:The left gets all aquiver when they see the Confederate Battle Flag, but have no gripe when it comes to the Hammer & Sickle.
Of course! Because they all identify with it so well, and embrace the hammer & sickle principles!
Diplomacy is the Art of Letting Someone Have Your Way
TSRA
Colt Gov't Model .380
User avatar

TexasJohnBoy
Banned
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 1999
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:21 pm
Location: North Texas

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#32

Post by TexasJohnBoy »

Ahem. My phone isn't racist.
Image
TSRA Member since 5/30/15; NRA Member since 10/31/14

rotor
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 3326
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:26 pm

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#33

Post by rotor »

Please send me all of your racist $1 bills with that slave owner George Washington on them. I find them offensive and will destroy them in a fitting manner.
User avatar

The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 6
Posts: 26852
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: Is the Gasden flag racist?

#34

Post by The Annoyed Man »

AJSully421 wrote:Everything that the left doesn't like is racist.
YOU'RE a racist! :lol:
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

#TINVOWOOT
User avatar

The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 6
Posts: 26852
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: Is the Gasden flag racist?

#35

Post by The Annoyed Man »

Jusme wrote:
suthdj wrote:All i can say is :banghead: Come an take it

But.. But.. isn't that cannon ...Black?


It must have some kind of deep racist meaning, I'm going to have to stop typing on this white background with black letters. I drink my coffee.... Black
I am going to have to get some counseling for my behavior and change it immediately.

My brain hurts!!!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
BLACK CANNONS MATTER!!!!! :mrgreen:
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

#TINVOWOOT

OlBill
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 545
Joined: Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:36 am

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#36

Post by OlBill »

TexasJohnBoy wrote:Ahem. My phone isn't racist.
Image
How did you do that?
User avatar

The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 6
Posts: 26852
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#37

Post by The Annoyed Man »

bblhd672 wrote:In the new world order of the perpetually offended (the "PO"), everything is offensive if they say so. Common sense and critical thinking are not allowed when you join the PO, the only requirement is the suspense of reality.
All of y'all should read this article, you'll get a bang out of it: http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/ ... atrapping/
The term "kafkatrapping" describes a logical fallacy that is popular within gender feminism, racial politics and other ideologies of victimhood. It occurs when you are accused of a thought crime such as sexism, racism or homophobia. You respond with an honest denial, which is then used as further confirmation of your guilt. You are now trapped in a circular and unfalsifiable argument; no one who is accused can be innocent because the structure of kafkatrapping precludes that possibility.

.............

Model A: The accuser states, "Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of (sin, racism, sexism, homophobia, oppression…) confirms that you are guilty of (sin, racism, sexism, homophobia, oppression…)." ........... Even if you are innocent, the only path to redemption is for you to plead guilty and accept punishment. Ideally, for the accuser, you even come to believe in your own guilt.

.............

Model C is a common variant on the same theme. You may not have done, felt or thought anything wrong but you are still guilty because you benefit from a position of privilege created by others. In other words, you are guilty because of your identification with a group such as "male," "white," or "heterosexual." The accusation makes you responsible for the actions of strangers whose behavior you cannot control and who may have died long ago.
Most of us know this line of false argument and have seen it many times. This was the first time I had seen a word identified to name it, and an explanation stated to succinctly understand it.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

#TINVOWOOT
User avatar

C-dub
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 13562
Joined: Sat May 16, 2009 7:18 pm
Location: DFW

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#38

Post by C-dub »

If it is, the military might have a problem. I'd bet the Navy isn't the only branch that allows it.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=96051
* Commands may now authorize the wear of a "Don't Tread on Me" and Reverse U.S. Flag patches on NWU Type II and Type III.
I am not and have never been a LEO. My avatar is in honor of my friend, Dallas Police Sargent Michael Smith, who was murdered along with four other officers in Dallas on 7.7.2016.
NRA Patriot-Endowment Lifetime Member---------------------------------------------Si vis pacem, para bellum.................................................Patriot Guard Rider
User avatar

puma guy
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 7787
Joined: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:23 pm
Location: Near San Jacinto

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#39

Post by puma guy »

The Annoyed Man wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:In the new world order of the perpetually offended (the "PO"), everything is offensive if they say so. Common sense and critical thinking are not allowed when you join the PO, the only requirement is the suspense of reality.
All of y'all should read this article, you'll get a bang out of it: http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/ ... atrapping/
The term "kafkatrapping" describes a logical fallacy that is popular within gender feminism, racial politics and other ideologies of victimhood. It occurs when you are accused of a thought crime such as sexism, racism or homophobia. You respond with an honest denial, which is then used as further confirmation of your guilt. You are now trapped in a circular and unfalsifiable argument; no one who is accused can be innocent because the structure of kafkatrapping precludes that possibility.

.............

Model A: The accuser states, "Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of (sin, racism, sexism, homophobia, oppression…) confirms that you are guilty of (sin, racism, sexism, homophobia, oppression…)." ........... Even if you are innocent, the only path to redemption is for you to plead guilty and accept punishment. Ideally, for the accuser, you even come to believe in your own guilt.

.............

Model C is a common variant on the same theme. You may not have done, felt or thought anything wrong but you are still guilty because you benefit from a position of privilege created by others. In other words, you are guilty because of your identification with a group such as "male," "white," or "heterosexual." The accusation makes you responsible for the actions of strangers whose behavior you cannot control and who may have died long ago.
Most of us know this line of false argument and have seen it many times. This was the first time I had seen a word identified to name it, and an explanation stated to succinctly understand it.
Reminds me of an interrogation from Catch-22. To paraphrase "We know you did it" "I never did it" "When did you never do it?"
KAHR PM40/Hoffner IWB and S&W Mod 60/ Galco IWB
NRA Endowment Member, TSRA Life Member,100 Club Life Member,TFC Member
My Faith, My Gun and My Constitution: I cling to all three!
User avatar

The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 6
Posts: 26852
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#40

Post by The Annoyed Man »

puma guy wrote:Reminds me of an interrogation from Catch-22. To paraphrase "We know you did it" "I never did it" "When did you never do it?"
Exactly! :lol:
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

#TINVOWOOT

crazy2medic
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 2453
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:59 am

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#41

Post by crazy2medic »

Somebody correct my history if I'm wrong but isn't the cannon with the "come and take it" called the Gonzales flag? And following that belief would you not be a racist if your against the "gonzales" flag?
Since I have spent a large part of my life traipsing about in woods, fields and the general outdoors I know that a rattlesnake is not prone to prejudice, they are an equal oppertunity biter, step on them and skin color makes no difference, so how is the flag racist?
Government, like fire is a dangerous servant and a fearful master
If you ain't paranoid you ain't paying attention
Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here- John Parker
User avatar

The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 6
Posts: 26852
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#42

Post by The Annoyed Man »

crazy2medic wrote:Somebody correct my history if I'm wrong but isn't the cannon with the "come and take it" called the Gonzales flag? And following that belief would you not be a racist if your against the "gonzales" flag?
Since I have spent a large part of my life traipsing about in woods, fields and the general outdoors I know that a rattlesnake is not prone to prejudice, they are an equal oppertunity biter, step on them and skin color makes no difference, so how is the flag racist?
You should have read the OP's post and article. The OP is about the Gadsden flag. Someone else brought the Gonzales flag into the discussion as a joke, because since the Gonzales cannon is black, is the flag considered racist?
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

#TINVOWOOT

crazy2medic
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 2453
Joined: Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:59 am

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#43

Post by crazy2medic »

The Annoyed Man wrote:
crazy2medic wrote:Somebody correct my history if I'm wrong but isn't the cannon with the "come and take it" called the Gonzales flag? And following that belief would you not be a racist if your against the "gonzales" flag?
Since I have spent a large part of my life traipsing about in woods, fields and the general outdoors I know that a rattlesnake is not prone to prejudice, they are an equal oppertunity biter, step on them and skin color makes no difference, so how is the flag racist?
You should have read the OP's post and article. The OP is about the Gadsden flag. Someone else brought the Gonzales flag into the discussion as a joke, because since the Gonzales cannon is black, is the flag considered racist?
Yup got that part, I think the whole idea of a flag being racist is just silly, the context in which the flag was created is missed by the low IQ liberals, but once again we have some how devolved into a victim society and everything is just gotten ridiculous
Government, like fire is a dangerous servant and a fearful master
If you ain't paranoid you ain't paying attention
Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here- John Parker
User avatar

The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 6
Posts: 26852
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#44

Post by The Annoyed Man »

crazy2medic wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
crazy2medic wrote:Somebody correct my history if I'm wrong but isn't the cannon with the "come and take it" called the Gonzales flag? And following that belief would you not be a racist if your against the "gonzales" flag?
Since I have spent a large part of my life traipsing about in woods, fields and the general outdoors I know that a rattlesnake is not prone to prejudice, they are an equal oppertunity biter, step on them and skin color makes no difference, so how is the flag racist?
You should have read the OP's post and article. The OP is about the Gadsden flag. Someone else brought the Gonzales flag into the discussion as a joke, because since the Gonzales cannon is black, is the flag considered racist?
Yup got that part, I think the whole idea of a flag being racist is just silly, the context in which the flag was created is missed by the low IQ liberals, but once again we have some how devolved into a victim society and everything is just gotten ridiculous
Sorry..... My mistake. :mrgreen:

You should read that article on "kafkatrapping" I posted above. It defines that crap better than anything I've ever read.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"

#TINVOWOOT
User avatar

TexasJohnBoy
Banned
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 1999
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:21 pm
Location: North Texas

Re: Is the Gadsden flag racist?

#45

Post by TexasJohnBoy »

OlBill wrote: How did you do that?
Take the screenshot? Press home button and lock button at the same time on the iPhone. Now sure on Android.
TSRA Member since 5/30/15; NRA Member since 10/31/14
Post Reply

Return to “Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues”