Anyone else notice more 30.06/30.07 postings since Open Carry was instituted?

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Re: Anyone else notice more 30.06/30.07 postings since Open Carry was instituted?

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lildave40 wrote:So what can we do to stop all these signs going up? Some of my favorite eating place have posted as well as my Car dealership. :mad5
Stop giving them your business. I'm not trying to be unsympathetic, because I get that you're angry about it and why, but the only real pressure any of us can bring to bear is economic. If your car dealer gets enough letters from LTC holders that they will be transferring their business to another dealer, eventually they'll get the message that their policy is costing them something. But be prepared to find out that some of them just don't give a cup of warm spit about your outrage, and they're not going to change their policy because THEY don't like your guns. Period.

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There have been cases documented on this forum of members who successfully educated a business owner in writing and convinced that owner to take down the signs. What these communications ALL have in common is a tone of respect. If you phone/write that business and just pour on the flames and kick sand in their eyes, you're not going to get anywhere. Be diplomatic. Tell them that they don't have to post BOTH signs just to prevent open carry (which is a lie that they are being told by anti-gun activists, who tell businesses that both signs have to be posted to prevent open carry). Give them the link to the DPS website on crime stats for LTC holders versus the general population. Tell them about the background checks LTCs have to submit to in order to get the license, and that a LOT of the customers who don't carry and can walk past their signs would NOT qualify for an LTC. Tell them that the kind of people who bother to even get an LTC tend to be in higher income brackets with more disposable income, and ask them, is that the kind of person you want to keep from entering your store? Tell them that even if their insurance company advises it, there is NO law supporting higher liability insurance rates if they don't put up the signs. And finally, tell them that their signs will be religiously followed by LTCs - the MOST law abiding citizens there are - but that the signs have no force of law on someone who carrying a firearm illegally without a license, so the signs won't keep out armed criminals.

If you can communicate all of these ideas respectfully, you might be surprised at the positive responses you'll get. And when it doesn't work, move on and give the money to someone else. I've had to do that more than once.......including finding other charities to support.
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Re: Anyone else notice more 30.06/30.07 postings since Open Carry was instituted?

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If you have the Texas3006 app on your phone, you would notice that thousands of the new signs posted. It would warn you of nearby posted business before you step out of your car :thumbs2: :thumbs2:
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Soccerdad1995 wrote:We should really make this a poll. It would be interesting to see how this is impacting various people.

Personally, I have seen a lot more 30.07 signs since OC was instituted. I had seen zero places posted prior to January 1, 2016 :lol::. Hey, you asked about 30.07 too.

I have seen a few newly posted 30.06 places, but not enough to be a serious inconvenience.

I have seen a ton of new entries on Texas3006.com, but that spike correlated more closely with the introduction of the mobile app, so I think people are just finding it easier to update that database, and not necessarily that there are a ton of new signs going up.
I have noticed pretty much the same. More signs at 30.07 than 30.06. I rarely go into places that are 30.06 unless I have no choice.
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Re: Anyone else notice more 30.06/30.07 postings since Open Carry was instituted?

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In my local area of Lewisville, Denton, Plano, and Frisco, there are a ton more places
that have posted 30.06's since they found 30.07's and decided to post both.

I think the open carry has really thrown a monkey wrench into our ability to carry concealed
and legal. If we want to remain squeaky clean with regard to 30.06/30.07's we are now prohibited
from concealed carry in many more places.

By the way, since open carry became legal (1/1/2016?), I have seen exactly TWO guys OC'ing.
One was at a Lewisville Chinese buffet (he had an all black Springer XD .40) on 5/15, and one guy at a
Pizza Hut in Plano (all black Beretta PX4 Storm) about 6/30.

My take: 2 guys OC'ing in 6 months has stopped many of us from CC'ing into freshly-posted 30.06's.
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I've seen the opposite of what I expected. I've run into more than a few places that are 30.06 posted and not 30.07. I just assumed that they were ignorant of the law and would give verbal notice for anyone OC'ing but always makes me laugh and want to roll in with a pistol on my hip.
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I am a broadcast engineering consultant, and as a result I enter a lot of TV and radio stations. This year, I've been in stations in Lubbock, Amarillo and the DFW area. Without exception, they are all posted 30.06 & 30.07, and had no postings prior to January 1, 2016. This came about because they all covered the open carry as news stories, and then the station management became self-educated about the signage.
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Russell wrote:I very much think a large part of it is just that there are more people aware of Texas3006.com now, so are reporting more. But you can't deny that some stores have posted signs after OC became active.
I believe you're likely correct about the reason for the rapid upswing in listings. Which is a very good thing for all concerned: increases the breadth and value of the database, and leaves you with absolutely no idle time on your hands. ;-)

And while I have no material evidence to back it up, I think the increasing number of both signs going up has as much to do with companies who print and sell signs as it does with business owners having experience with or concern about open carriers. My bet is that--large organizations and perennial posters like hospitals and some chain stores/restaurants aside--the passing of the open carry law simply brought the whole signage issue to light.

Business owner John Doe had never really given concealed carry a thought because he'd never had any issues with it. John visits his buddy, Jim Smith, at his Timeless Timepieces and Taxidermy store and sees the honkin' new signs in the window. Conversation ensues, and Jim gives John the name of the place where he bought the signs. The sign company urges John to buy both signs--at a discount, of course--so he can make sure he has "all his bases covered." Then "ping!" we get a new Texas3006.com notification that another new sign has gone up at John's Cats, Canaries, & other Critters pet store.
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Re: Anyone else notice more 30.06/30.07 postings since Open Carry was instituted?

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Thanks to everyone for posting their views - keep 'em coming! While I do see about 1/3 of the "new" sites going online as 30.07, the rest seem to be either both 30.07/30.06 or just NEW 30.06. I've got nothing against the folks posting 30.07 and will happily patronize them, but, unfortunately, MOST seem to be posting both. I still can't understand why anyone would want to make themselves a target by open carrying (pretty much an ego thing IMO), so this whole thing is just a MESS from my perspective. As was said previously; THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!

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YES! several places i went to that never had any 30.06 signs suddenly put up both signs after the start of the year, and i've yet to encounter a location that ONLY had a 30.07 sign. It is aggravating that places I frequented previously that had no issue with concealed carry now prohibit it and open, i blame ignorance of the law.
Some places such as our local car dealer/service center I went to write a letter to the GM only to find out it is a corporate policy of autonation across the country and they have their hands tied as the local dealer cannot do anything about it. But what stinks about this is autonation owns so many dealerships now sometimes you have to go quite a bit out of the way to get service at a different dealer for the auto maker.
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I've noticed quite a few more signs. Many have gone up and minuscule number have come down, but some have. Hopefully, over time, more will come down, but I'm sure not all of those that went up due to fear will come down.

I'm still working on getting the signs down at our church. Of all places, you'd think they would recognize the danger of posting a church. :banghead:
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So far I've not noticed any real noticeable change in number of signs in places I visit. A lot of restaurants are now 30.07 - which doesn't really effect me much. The only real increase I've noticed is the number of gas stations that are now posted 30.06 and 30.07 - but that has just changed where I stop for my smokes and coffee in the morning.

I even got a 30.06 to come down at one of the gas stations I frequent(least I'd like to think it was my conversation) it was posted 30.06 right before the first of the year. Told the lady who's always there and knew me, it would be the last day myself and probably many more people would stop doing business there, and explained why. Had to stop there again for gas a couple months later, was grumbling to myself about not planning better. Walked inside only to notice the 30.06 was down, just the 30.07 was posted.
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rentz wrote:YES! several places i went to that never had any 30.06 signs suddenly put up both signs after the start of the year, and i've yet to encounter a location that ONLY had a 30.07 sign. It is aggravating that places I frequented previously that had no issue with concealed carry now prohibit it and open, i blame ignorance of the law.
Some places such as our local car dealer/service center I went to write a letter to the GM only to find out it is a corporate policy of autonation across the country and they have their hands tied as the local dealer cannot do anything about it. But what stinks about this is autonation owns so many dealerships now sometimes you have to go quite a bit out of the way to get service at a different dealer for the auto maker.
Dallas must be a lot different than Houston in this regard. Of the places I actually would otherwise visit, there are more 30.07 posted locations than 30.06 locations. Also, close to half of all the signs I have seen are non-compliant in some way.

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Those "heat maps" are pretty alarming. Looks like it's time to contact our representative to start work on a provision like that they TRIED to pass (well, it passed, but with an inane amendment that basically killed its intent) in TN that will make those prohibiting our ability to protect ourselves liable for any injury and damages suffered as a result..... :patriot:

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surprise_i'm_armed wrote:In my local area of Lewisville, Denton, Plano, and Frisco, there are a ton more places
that have posted 30.06's since they found 30.07's and decided to post both.

I think the open carry has really thrown a monkey wrench into our ability to carry concealed
and legal. If we want to remain squeaky clean with regard to 30.06/30.07's we are now prohibited
from concealed carry in many more places.

By the way, since open carry became legal (1/1/2016?), I have seen exactly TWO guys OC'ing.
One was at a Lewisville Chinese buffet (he had an all black Springer XD .40) on 5/15, and one guy at a
Pizza Hut in Plano (all black Beretta PX4 Storm) about 6/30.

My take: 2 guys OC'ing in 6 months has stopped many of us from CC'ing into freshly-posted 30.06's.
Thanks for nothing :-(

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I wouldn't be blaming the guys that are OC from causing you to not be able to CC. It's the business that you want to enter that is doing it. In my particular area I consider the new number of signs not significant but the solutions are 1, stay out of those business that post 2, we need some new legislation put forth and perhaps Charles Cotton can offer a suggestion that will help without destroying private property rights.
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