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Re: the upcoming election (assuming it's still representative, and not "fixed") I am put in mind of something attributed to Mae West

"When choosing between two evils, I like to pick the one I haven't tried yet". We've had 16 years of Clintons, so by Mae's wisdom, that leaves.....
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This reminds me of a passage in the book 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell. You see, after the revolution in which the animals overthrew the opressive humans, the pigs slowly took control. Then, after much time had passed, the pigs surreptitiously changed the law from "all animals are equal", to then say "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others." It's disturbing that a satire of Stalinism can be hitting home with this Hillary/FBI thing.
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nimravus01 wrote:This reminds me of a passage in the book 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell. You see, after the revolution in which the animals overthrew the opressive humans, the pigs slowly took control. Then, after much time had passed, the pigs surreptitiously changed the law from "all animals are equal", to then say "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others." It's disturbing that a satire of Stalinism can be hitting home with this Hillary/FBI thing.
I've quoted that passage to people more times than I care to remember..........and while most of them are offended at the notion that elites think they are more equal than the rest of us, and they agree with me that the notion is morally wrong, they still vote for oligarchs who maintain that "more equal than others" status quo.

The American voter is largely a hypocritical idiot who will vote himself bread and circuses. Now, for some, bread and circuses means gov't charity for themselves; for others, bread and circuses means aiding and abetting America's role as the "global police"; still for others, bread and circuses means charity for foreign nations. But very very few are willing to vote for an actual reduction in gov't if it means giving up their most cherished shibboleths. To such a citizenry, "some are more equal than others" ultimately turns out not to bother them all that much, so long as they get whatever it is they want. They are categorically unable to put the health of the Constitution and the rule of law ahead of their wants.

This is a complete about-face for me. I used to have faith in the long-term wisdom of the electorate. I thought that they occasionally made mistakes, but then they were willing to correct those mistakes when they'd had enough, by throwing the bums out once in a while. I no longer think they even know where their actual self-interests lie because they've been thoroughly seduced by the oligarchs. If they can't recognize Clinton or Trump for what they are, then how on earth can they even be expected to ever recognize a true statesmen if one were to unexpectedly rear up and bite them on the butt? All the great statesmen are dead and gone, and there are precious few people involved in gov't any longer—whether as elected officials, or as unknown bureaucrats—who still believe that they serve the more noble cause of a Constitutional Republic rather than existing for the purpose of protecting their rice bowl and pandering to the looters.

The fact is, Trump can't beat Clinton. EVEN IF every "never Trump" person like me reversed themselves and abandoned that position, there simply aren't enough voters who fall outside of the "looters" category to overcome the majority that the looters hold. Eight years of Obama HAS fundamentally transformed the nation. We are no longer recognizable as the "shining city on the hill". Eight years of Obama HAS convinced a significant chunk of the electorate to become looters. Eight years of Obama HAS wiped out any belief among those looters in the notion of American exceptionalism. Eight years of Obama HAS eradicated any due reverence among the looters for the precepts of individual liberty. He HAS fundamentally transformed America, and it is for the long term.

We are going to have at least 4 to 8 more years, possibly longer, of this progressive descent into fascism before people decide they've had enough..........IF they ever decide they've had enough.......because there simply aren't enough people left who remember this country as it was, and the number of looters is increasing. We are getting older and dying off, and this entitled generation of snowflakes is about to take power. I tremble for the country my precious grandkids are going to inherit, if it still exists by then.

So I don't take my comfort from a hope that Trump will somehow miraculously win the election. Each of us is going to have to find out for ourselves from where to take comfort for the future, but if a wart like Trump is the best anyone can do to find hope in this state of affairs, then I would suggest they should look elsewhere.

Not to proselytize, but this is where I find my comfort for me: God is not surprised by any of this. He is in fact in control of all of it. NONE of it happens but he allows it to happen. Just as he allowed Satan to torment Job and then used that for his own glory (and in the process, refining Job's righteousness), God will allow this nation's torment to happen, and then he will use it for his own glory - and in the process, perhaps refining our own righteousness. What we have broken, he can redeem. He not only can, he will. It may be impossible for my finite human mind to wrap itself around exactly how or why God will use this, but I have complete faith that he will.

In the Old Testament, the people of Israel/Judah were subjected to exile in Assyria and Babylon for the sins of their kings and the people themselves. But among those exiles were a number of righteous men — Ezekel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, Jeremiah, Ezra — who suffered alongside their people even though some of them were actual prophets. To me, this is an illustration of what we can expect for those of us who still love liberty and were not willing to throw away the Constitution in exchange for bread and circuses. We will suffer alongside those who were heedless, short-sighted, and selfish. But, it is for some of us to be the "prophets" of liberty, to keep the idea alive until God sees fit to relieve our suffering. In the meantime, I believe that God will use this suffering for his own glory, and I also believe that my very raison d'être is to glorify God. So I am satisfied that, while I might suffer because of what is to come, God is going to redeem all of this, and use it all for his good purposes. Even so, come Jesus come.

I realize that not everybody shares my brand of faith, or even has any spiritual inclinations at all, so this is how I process these events, and how I find my comfort in them. Again, this is not meant to be proselytizing for my particular brand of faith; but I do most wholeheartedly suggest that each of us needs to look elsewhere for comfort, because there is ZERO chance of finding any in the current events. This IS as bad as it gets.
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I agree, TAM. We can look at Sodom and Gamorrah and see that God will not allow a nation of debauchery and corruption continue without punishment. It is apparent we are heading in a similar direction. There is no way anyone can honestly look at what is going on in our country and call it righteous and just.

As they say, history repeats itself. Human societies have a way of bringing judgement and destruction on themselves. Yesterday's events is just another indicator of how low our country has gone. The progressives have made great strides in our time. I have fought being so pessimistic but I can no longer continue to fight it. My confidence in man is gone and I can only look to God. I guess that is what I should have been doing all along.

I have a good friend that says "if God doesn't deal harshly with the United States of America, he will owe Sodom and Gamorrah an apology. We know God does not allow himself to be put in a position to need to apologize."
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Skiprr wrote:
B23Msports wrote:In return for his help in this, does Barrack Obama become a Supreme Court judge appointed by Hillary?
Be afraid. Be very afraid...
This is ridiculous.

Hillary isn't appointing Obama to the Supreme Court.

Even if she wanted to, the Senate would never confirm him, barring a major shake up in the composition of the Senate.

Even if it were to do so, there is no reason to think Obama might be willing to spend the rest of his productive life in the relatively cloistered role of a Supreme Court justice making a few hundred thou per year when he could be out running around fleecing donors for millions, working or not as he saw fit.

C'mon, men!
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Some are comparing what is going on to ancient Rome, bread and circuses, etc.

Rome grew mighty, became fat and lazy, started in on some rough patches, introduced non-Romans to do the work Romans wouldn't do, corruption began to be accepted, things got further and further out of hand, and they ended up a bunch of Italians.

Remember that!
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Fun fact of the day - James Comey, who now-famously recommends no charges against noble Hillary, once labored to put Martha Stewart in the Big House. He was a US Attorney at the time and served as lead prosecutor in that case.

Martha Stewart, given the prosecutor's attention Comey granted her and his lackluster interest in chasing Hillary, was more of a threat to the American way than HIllary's state secrets open to the world.

General Patraeus had a notebook in a desk drawer at home and had let his bed-buddy biographer read it.

Terribly stupid and it's right he lost rank, retirement, and paid $100,000 fine.

But it's hardly the same thing as offering state secrets to foreign intelligence.

On the other hand, I don't cross my wife. I know to respect radicalized homemakers with weaponized knick-knacks.

Maybe Comey does, too.

I think the obvious conflicts in his announcement are a plea for help against forces he's helpless against. My prediction, he will retire in the very near future.

And pray for his safety. We don't need another Vince Foster.

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The part that agrivated me was:
They needed to have undeniable proof that would assure a conviction, or they didn't dare press charges as it would be detrimental to her career.

If it were me or any other everyday Joe, that something like that happened to, would they be concerned about my career? Look how many people are in prison for suspicion beyond a reasonable doubt. If they needed absolute proof to convict a person there would be a lot more criminals walking the streets.

Oh, there are. Their politicians.

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What?

Some here are surprised by the FBI wimping out?

I fully expect her to get away with whatever crime see's guilty of and so does she.

She's has now proven beyond a reasonable doubt she's omnipotent.

Hail to your overlord, ah, ms. overlord.
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JALLEN wrote:
Skiprr wrote:
B23Msports wrote:In return for his help in this, does Barrack Obama become a Supreme Court judge appointed by Hillary?
Be afraid. Be very afraid...
This is ridiculous.

Hillary isn't appointing Obama to the Supreme Court.

Even if she wanted to, the Senate would never confirm him, barring a major shake up in the composition of the Senate.

Even if it were to do so, there is no reason to think Obama might be willing to spend the rest of his productive life in the relatively cloistered role of a Supreme Court justice making a few hundred thou per year when he could be out running around fleecing donors for millions, working or not as he saw fit.

C'mon, men!
I'll agree that Obama is too lazy to want to be SCOTUS.

Loretta Lynch or Eric Holder might be a different matter. And I don't have much faith that there's enough "Republican" senators with the stones to hold them off.
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Abraham wrote:What?

Some here are surprised by the FBI wimping out?

I fully expect her to get away with whatever crime see's guilty of and so does she.

She's has now proven beyond a reasonable doubt she's omnipotent.

Hail to your overlord, ah, ms. overlord.
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mojo84,

Just my weak attempt at injecting a little humor into this very dark day.

John Roberts failed us with Obamacare and now Comey.

I expect our politicians to get away with high level crime, but I just wish it could be done with a bit more finesse.

Being slapped in the face with statements like Comey made is not only disheartening it's maddening.
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Abraham wrote:mojo84,

Just my weak attempt at injecting a little humor into this very dark day.

John Roberts failed us with Obamacare and now Comey.

I expect our politicians to get away with high level crime, but I just wish it could be done with a bit more finesse.

Being slapped in the face with statements like Comey made is not only disheartening it's maddening.
I understand. That's why I included the word angry. I feel disheartened and anger at how transparently corrupt our governments have become.
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Well, the president promised The most transparent administration...
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