Senate hearing to monitor open, campus carry gun laws

[dhoobler]

Just heard UT Professor Joan Neuberger testify. I need some duct tape to keep my head from exploding.

[baldeagle]

Yeah, but Okafur was excellent, and Senator Nelson pretty much slapped the professor in the face.

[Lynyrd]

I really enjoyed listening to Alice Tripp and Antonia Okafor. Thanks for the link to the live stream.

[Papa_Tiger]

Will this be posted in the Senate archives? I'd love to hear what was said, but had too spotty a connection to be able to stream it.

[dhoobler]

I hope the senate posts a reply. I did not get to see all of it.

[baldeagle]

Will this be posted in the Senate archives? I'd love to hear what was said, but had too spotty a connection to be able to stream it.

I'm sure it will be, but it's not yet. (I checked.) Here's the page where you can access it once it's posted. http://www.senate.state.tx.us/avarchive/

I plan on taking good notes on what the antis claimed so I can refute their "statistics".

UPDATE: Here's the video: http://tlcsenate.granicus.com/MediaPlay ... p_id=10840

[RoyGBiv]

At about 52:30, Sen Birdwell is talking about a possible change to 30.06 next session. Apparently there was some discussion/intention last session about using 30.06 to prevent BOTH CC and OC, but that intention didn't get written into the law. Buirdwell is discussing an intention to address that in 2017.

Summary: If passed in 2017, 30.06 would prohibit CC and OC. 30.06 would prohibit OC only.

[RHenriksen]

At about 52:30, Sen Birdwell is talking about a possible change to 30.06 next session. Apparently there was some discussion/intention last session about using 30.06 to prevent BOTH CC and OC, but that intention didn't get written into the law. Buirdwell is discussing an intention to address that in 2017.

Summary: If passed in 2017, 30.06 would prohibit CC and OC. 30.06 would prohibit OC only.

I think you have a typo in there somewhere

[baldeagle]

Here's my notes on the hearing. I will be sending a response to the Committee Members. (I'll post the response here as well.)
I put times on the parts I thought people might want to listen to. Unless I use quotes, these are my paraphrases/interpretations of what was said by the witness. My bias is obvious.

Texas Senate Committee on State Affairs 1/26/2016

Witnesses:
Chancellor of the University of Houston System - Renu Khator
Chancellor of the University of Texas System - Admiral William McRaven
Chancellor of the University of North Texas System - Lee Jackson
Chancellor of the Texas Tech University System - Robert L. Duncan
Chancellor of the Texas State University System - Brian McCall
Chancellor of the Texas A&M University System - John Sharp

44:21
Chief Prosecutor for the Major Offenders Division of the Harris County DA’s Office - Justin Wood
Deputy Attorney General for Legal Counsel, Office of the Attorney General - Brantley Starr
Chief, Texas Highway Patrol, Texas Department of Public Safety - Lewis Gonzales
Assistant Director, Regulatory Services Division, Texas Department of Public Safety - RenEarl Bowie
There are nine people in the state of Texas that are 99 years old and have an LTC.
There are 35,000 people who are between 21 and 25 and have an LTC.

1:37:55
Texas Gun Sense - Andrea Brower
1.6% of qualified students have LTCs, that’s so small we shouldn’t have a problem discriminating against them

Open Carry Texas, Legislative Director - Rick Briscoe
Boring

Moms Demand Action, Texas Chapter Leader - Anna Kehde
72% of Texans in a recent survey said they didn’t think students should be able to bring guns into college classrooms
66% said students should not be allowed to bring guns into dorms
Thinks the fact that private universities are opting out proves that campus carry is unpopular at universities
Begged for allowing publics to decide where they can deny carry - cites Rep. Martinez-Fisher claimed the intent was to allow bans in classrooms and provide local control - Chairwoman objected strenuously

TSRA, Legislative Director - Alice Tripp
Great history of gun laws in Texas

2:31:55
Texas Central Gun Works, Owner - Michael Cargill
Gringo’s Mexican Kitchen, General Counsel - Alfred Flores

2:35:08
UT History Professor - Joan Neuberger
She represents UT Gun Free
Senator Nelson took “great exception” to her comments
Research shows that there is “no evidence” to suggest that a person with a concealed handgun could protect themselves from a deranged person entering a classroom. The research “seems to go in the opposite direction.”
There is “no evidence” that having a gun in a situation of rape is going to protect the individual and the evidence in that situation too seems to go in the opposite direction.”
It seems just as likely that the proliferation of guns puts women in more danger, because it puts more weapons in the hands of people who want to harm women.
The evidence goes against the safety of bringing guns onto campus.

Southwest Regional Directory, Students For Concealed Carry, Antonia Okafor
She was great, as always.

[jerry_r60]

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/sena ... -la/nqCTF/

Where did you hear this was going to be happening? I missed this was going on.

[TexasJohnBoy]

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7207

[mojo84]

they also dismissed potential concerns surrounding implementation of the law, saying they do not expect it to impose significant costs or deter students from enrolling in Texas public universities, and noting that university officials in states where campus carry already exists “have not expressed any particular concern.”

This quote says exactly the opposite of their testimony during the Senate and House hearings.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7207

[baldeagle]

OK, here's the results of my research.

Moms Demand Action, Texas Chapter Leader - Anna Kehde stated that
72% of Texans in a recent survey said they didn’t think students should be able to bring guns into college classrooms
66% said students should not be allowed to bring guns into dorms

She’s most likely citing this poll put out by Everytown for Gun Safety
It’s a push poll that doesn’t even account for licensing or age
Everytown poll

This poll found dramatically different results
http://www.texastribune.org/2015/06/23/ ... tion-guns/
37% oppose campus carry
26% support in approved places only
25% support carrying anywhere

My conclusion? Push polls do not accurately reflect public sentiment and MDA is well known for providing false information to "buttress" their arguments.

Professor Neuberger claimed there was no evidence that being armed helped in an active shooter situation.

FBI study shows that “13% of the incidents were stopped by courageous unarmed citizens…NOT police” Another 4% were stopped by armed citizens, but the majority take place in gun free zones where citizens are legally disarmed.
69% of active shooter incidents end in five minutes or less. Average police response time is 3 minutes plus time to assess and address.

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/1 ... e-shooters

50% of active shooter incidents end before the police arrive. 40% are resolved by armed and/or unarmed citizens on the scene before police arrive.
25% are resolved by police either by arresting or shooting the perpetrator
60% of active shooters only have handguns
Average time is 5 minutes. Average police response time is 3 minutes plus several minutes to assess and address the situation.

http://www.policeforum.org/assets/docs/ ... 202014.pdf

My conclusion? In an active shooter situation, do everything you can to prevent the shooter from getting to you. If confronted, shoot him and keep shooting until he stops moving. If you don't have a gun, grab whatever hard object you can and beat him senseless when he comes through the door.

Professor Neuberger claimed that there was no evidence that being armed helped prevent rape.

women who used non-forceful verbal JIAFM, 2007 - 29(4); ISSN: 0971-0973 101 strategies, e.g, crying or pleading with the assailant were raped about 96% of the time[4].

Zoncha-Jensen, J. M. & Coyne, A.(1993). The effect of resistance strategies on rape. American Journal of Public Health, 83(11), 1633-1634.

Running works even better than verbal resistance. Researches indicate that only 15% of women who attempted to flee were raped[6].

Bart, P. B. & O’Brien, P. H.(1985). Stopping Rape: Successful Survival Strategies. Elmsford, New Yard: Pergammon Press.

Women who used knives or guns in self-defence were raped less than 1% of the time. Defensive use of edged or projectile weapons reduced the rate of injury to statistical insignificance[7].

Kleck, G. & Sayles, S.(1990). Rape and resistance. Social Problems, 37(2), 149-162.

Logistic regression analysis revealed that most self-protection (SP) actions, both forceful and non-forceful, significantly reduce the risk of rape completions, and that the effects of SP actions on rape completion did not vary depending upon conditions such as whether the offender was a sexual intimate, whether the offender was under the influence of alcohol or other drugs, whether there were multiple offenders, whether incidents This document is a research report submitted to the U.S. Department of Justice. This report has not been published by the Department. Opinions or points of view expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the official position or policies of the U.S. Department of Justice. occurred at home, or at night. We did not find significant effects of specific SP actions on injury or serious injury, in part because injuries, particularly serious injuries, beyond rape itself, are rare.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/211201.pdf

My conclusion? Teach your daughters to resist rape. Even yelling loudly is better than submitting meekly. Running away is very effective. Producing a weapon stops rape dead in its tracks.

[dhoobler]

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/sena ... -la/nqCTF/

Where did you hear this was going to be happening? I missed this was going on.

I searched google news for "Texas gun" and filtered for the past week.

[jerry_r60]

At about 52:30, Sen Birdwell is talking about a possible change to 30.06 next session. Apparently there was some discussion/intention last session about using 30.06 to prevent BOTH CC and OC, but that intention didn't get written into the law. Buirdwell is discussing an intention to address that in 2017.

Summary: If passed in 2017, 30.06 would prohibit CC and OC. 30.06 would prohibit OC only.

I think you have a typo in there somewhere

This was an interesting little tidbit. Yes, there is a slight typo there, I think the intended summary would be:

Summary: If passed in 2017, 30.06 would prohibit CC and OC. 30.07 would prohibit OC only.

This does reduce the burden on property owners but it also does make it that much easier to just put up the one sign and ban all carry. It creates an incentive to ban all carry, the incentive being the use of less wall space.