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Quick question:
Would the creation of a "permanant" chl ruin EVERYONE's use of a CHL in lieu of a NICS check? I had someone tell me this today, and it didn't sound quite right.

I'm assuming that the perm. CHL would not be good for a NICS check due to the requirement for expiry.

For the NICS exemption, the background check must be done at least every 5 years,

Yeah, the CHL needs to have an expiration date of no more than 5 years to provide the NICS exemption.

The question I have is, do the benefits of never having to renew your CHL and go through that waiting game again outweight the minor inconvenience of the NICS check? I would gladly wait the extra 15 mins for them to run my NICS check each time I get a gun if I didn't have to pay another renewal fee again...

Offer both types of CHL and let the buyer make their choice?

will381796 wrote: I would gladly wait the extra 15 mins for them to run my NICS check each time I get a gun if I didn't have to pay another renewal fee again...

I have to agree.....but I would worry about reciprocity being affected.
JL

I don't know the answer to this: do any other states currently provide or offer a non-expiring CHL? If so, did it have an effect on TX's reciprocity with that state?

Indiana has a lifetime concealed-carry license.

It's also possible that licenses from some of the may-issue states like California don't have a fixed expiration date. I don't know.

Whether having a Texas lifetime license would affect reciprocity is anyone's guess. Many states' laws say that reciprocity can be granted to license holders in a state with substantially the same laws. It's up to state officials to decide what that means.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:Indiana has a lifetime concealed-carry license.

It's also possible that licenses from some of the may-issue states like California don't have a fixed expiration date. I don't know.

Whether having a Texas lifetime license would affect reciprocity is anyone's guess. Many states' laws say that reciprocity can be granted to license holders in a state with substantially the same laws. It's up to state officials to decide what that means.

- Jim

I guess what bothers me is that we don't understand the repercussions of this thing, will our legislators? I suppose there is still time for all this to happen.

seamusTX wrote:It's also possible that licenses from some of the may-issue states like California don't have a fixed expiration date. I don't know. - Jim

California CCW permits are issued by the county so there is no statewide law on the length of the permit. Orange county permits are valid for only two years.

If HB3777 passes, and I hope it does, then the Permanent CHL will not be NICS exempt, but the renewable CHL will retain its NICS exemption.
Reciprocity or other recognition of a Texas CHL is less certain, but it is likely that there will be either no effect, or only the Permanent CHL will not be accepted by certain states.

Chas.

I'm not 100% clear on why we might lose reciprocity with some states. I get that most states require "substantially the same laws" so adding states could be problematic.

But since (as I understand it from things I've read) Texas has pretty much the most stringent requirements AND (as I believe, but don't have anything to back this up) that anything that would be really bad on a background check would get your license revoked, what's the problem with states that already recognize us?

EDIT: Other than the fact that their Gov/AG/whoever might be flaky. :)

If one state's law says that another state's license must have a renewal period of five years or less, the lifetime CHL would not meet that requirement. The AG or other appropriate official of that state might issue a clarification that Texas renewable licenses have reciprocity, but lifetime licenses do not.

Your last comment pretty much sums up the other possibilities.

After all this time, I think Texas has all the reciprocity that it's going to get. Some states will never offer reciprocity, and some are blocked because Texas can issue a license to 18- to 20-year-old active-duty military personnel.

- Jim