Quick question on Bill No.: HB3777

[nitrogen]

Quick question:
Would the creation of a "permanant" chl ruin EVERYONE's use of a CHL in lieu of a NICS check? I had someone tell me this today, and it didn't sound quite right.

I'm assuming that the perm. CHL would not be good for a NICS check due to the requirement for expiry.

[Mike1951]

For the NICS exemption, the background check must be done at least every 5 years,

[will381796]

Yeah, the CHL needs to have an expiration date of no more than 5 years to provide the NICS exemption.

The question I have is, do the benefits of never having to renew your CHL and go through that waiting game again outweight the minor inconvenience of the NICS check? I would gladly wait the extra 15 mins for them to run my NICS check each time I get a gun if I didn't have to pay another renewal fee again...

[Purplehood]

Offer both types of CHL and let the buyer make their choice?

[jlangton]

I would gladly wait the extra 15 mins for them to run my NICS check each time I get a gun if I didn't have to pay another renewal fee again...

I have to agree.....but I would worry about reciprocity being affected.
JL

[will381796]

I don't know the answer to this: do any other states currently provide or offer a non-expiring CHL? If so, did it have an effect on TX's reciprocity with that state?

[seamusTX]

Indiana has a lifetime concealed-carry license.

It's also possible that licenses from some of the may-issue states like California don't have a fixed expiration date. I don't know.

Whether having a Texas lifetime license would affect reciprocity is anyone's guess. Many states' laws say that reciprocity can be granted to license holders in a state with substantially the same laws. It's up to state officials to decide what that means.

- Jim

[Liberty]

Indiana has a lifetime concealed-carry license.

It's also possible that licenses from some of the may-issue states like California don't have a fixed expiration date. I don't know.

Whether having a Texas lifetime license would affect reciprocity is anyone's guess. Many states' laws say that reciprocity can be granted to license holders in a state with substantially the same laws. It's up to state officials to decide what that means.

- Jim

I guess what bothers me is that we don't understand the repercussions of this thing, will our legislators? I suppose there is still time for all this to happen.

[WildBill]

It's also possible that licenses from some of the may-issue states like California don't have a fixed expiration date. I don't know. - Jim

California CCW permits are issued by the county so there is no statewide law on the length of the permit. Orange county permits are valid for only two years.

[Charles L. Cotton]

If HB3777 passes, and I hope it does, then the Permanent CHL will not be NICS exempt, but the renewable CHL will retain its NICS exemption.
Reciprocity or other recognition of a Texas CHL is less certain, but it is likely that there will be either no effect, or only the Permanent CHL will not be accepted by certain states.

Chas.

[tornado]

I'm not 100% clear on why we might lose reciprocity with some states. I get that most states require "substantially the same laws" so adding states could be problematic.

But since (as I understand it from things I've read) Texas has pretty much the most stringent requirements AND (as I believe, but don't have anything to back this up) that anything that would be really bad on a background check would get your license revoked, what's the problem with states that already recognize us?

EDIT: Other than the fact that their Gov/AG/whoever might be flaky. :)

[seamusTX]

If one state's law says that another state's license must have a renewal period of five years or less, the lifetime CHL would not meet that requirement. The AG or other appropriate official of that state might issue a clarification that Texas renewable licenses have reciprocity, but lifetime licenses do not.

Your last comment pretty much sums up the other possibilities.

After all this time, I think Texas has all the reciprocity that it's going to get. Some states will never offer reciprocity, and some are blocked because Texas can issue a license to 18- to 20-year-old active-duty military personnel.

- Jim