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A few different threads going around about what we/TSRA/Legislature should focus on regarding gun-related bills for the 2011 Legislative session. A "parking lot bill" and a "campus carry bill" are the most prevalent priority issues cited, with Open Carry being the most discussed/debated.

But I (and I assume others) have an problem with the focus on college campuses with the campus carry issue. Why not push for ALL school campuses? Why should I be forced to disarm when I drop my toddler off at pre-school or a 12-year-old off at middle school? Why should I be forced to disarm if I drop off lunch for my school teacher wife?

Right now, it seems the majority rank the parking lot issue higher than campus carry because "it would affect more people". But if you change the focus of campus carry to all school campuses, not just colleges, you could bring in a huge number of "new" people to that issue. Admittedly, you could also bring in a huge amount of antis too, who don't really care about carry on college campuses but the thought of Big Bad CHLees carrying pistols around their sweet, innocent child's grammar school classroom just sends them into a tizzy. So, it's admittedly a risk.

Anyway, please make your choice in the poll question and the floor is open for debate.

Hi all, curious to hear everyone's reasoning for their votes too .... so a sentence or two in reply would be great .... thanks.

I vote #3.

1. Its more relevant to the issue of CHLers as there's more there. Columbine to the contrary, public schools are safer than your average college campus.

2. I'm much more ambivalent about public schools. It definitely clouds the issue a bit to me.

I voted for any school pre-kindergarten thru PhD, EXCEPT at sporting events.

The reason being it seems that if allowed at sporting events, that would conflict with other sporting event statutes in place..at first thought.

I voted for the very last one but thats just what I think SHOULD be in it and I know I am being hopeful with that. As most others here, I believe it is a right to carry...everywhere. As somebody has stated here before we do not turn into bad guys just becuase we go to the post office, a school, etc.

joe817 wrote:I voted for any school pre-kindergarten thru PhD, EXCEPT at sporting events.

The reason being it seems that if allowed at sporting events, that would conflict with other sporting event statutes in place..at first thought.

I hadn't thought about that and was going to change but then thought to myself "self: isn't that for professional sporting events?"

My opinion is based on what I have read on this forum but I agree that all school campus' should allow licensed carry.

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I think the issue is you listed grounds, but we can currently carry on the grounds. Did you mean 'premise' as in buildings?

Keith B wrote:I think the issue is you listed grounds, but we can currently carry on the grounds. Did you mean 'premise' as in buildings?

That's how I interpeted it and I voted the last option. If you have passed all the background checks and have your license you should be legally able to carry anywhere. If someone is out to cause trouble they are going to ignore all the rules anyway.

I think the focus on college is because the supporters think they have a better chance if they ask for less.

Even if campus carry passes, I wouldn't carry at schools.

Pete92FS wrote:

Keith B wrote:I think the issue is you listed grounds, but we can currently carry on the grounds. Did you mean 'premise' as in buildings?

That's how I interpeted it and I voted the last option. If you have passed all the background checks and have your license you should be legally able to carry anywhere. If someone is out to cause trouble they are going to ignore all the rules anyway.

nice catch guys. I've changed to "premises" in the poll. You should be able to go change your vote now, if the new wording changes your opinion.

frazzled wrote:I vote #3.

1. Its more relevant to the issue of CHLers as there's more there. Columbine to the contrary, public schools are safer than your average college campus.

2. I'm much more ambivalent about public schools. It definitely clouds the issue a bit to me.

Curious .....

Why is the "public school" (and I assume you mean K-12 grades since you're OK with college campus carry) issue clouded for you and why does the supposed relative safety of one venue mean it should be excluded from legal carry? A police department charity drive with 25 armed police officers handing out goodies to school children who bring in canned goods for the needy in a grocery store parking lot is even safer than your average elementary school, but I'm legally allowed to carry there.

I voted for all or nothing. It is my opinion that a school environment is no different than any other place. We are either responsible carriers of firearms or we are not. The locale makes no difference.
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If it comes right down to it we shouldn't even have 30.06 signs. We carry concealed, we keep them concealed. If for some reason an owner of private property becomes aware that someone is carrying, then they can give that someone verbal notice. Otherwise, they don't need to know.
This brings me right back to the topic. Carrying at schools. No difference.

Purplehood wrote:I voted for all or nothing. It is my opinion that a school environment is no different than any other place. We are either responsible carriers of firearms or we are not. The locale makes no difference.
***WARNING - Thread Drift Alert!!!***
If it comes right down to it we shouldn't even have 30.06 signs. We carry concealed, we keep them concealed. If for some reason an owner of private property becomes aware that someone is carrying, then they can give that someone verbal notice. Otherwise, they don't need to know.
This brings me right back to the topic. Carrying at schools. No difference.

I liked your last slightly off-topic part so much I made a new thread out of it ... http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34422" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

austinrealtor wrote:

frazzled wrote:I vote #3.

1. Its more relevant to the issue of CHLers as there's more there. Columbine to the contrary, public schools are safer than your average college campus.

2. I'm much more ambivalent about public schools. It definitely clouds the issue a bit to me.

Curious .....

Why is the "public school" (and I assume you mean K-12 grades since you're OK with college campus carry) issue clouded for you and why does the supposed relative safety of one venue mean it should be excluded from legal carry? A police department charity drive with 25 armed police officers handing out goodies to school children who bring in canned goods for the needy in a grocery store parking lot is even safer than your average elementary school, but I'm legally allowed to carry there.

1. I am less keen on a bunch of adults around my kids with firearms, even CHLers. Simple math. I am concerned the chance of one of the little demon seed can get a ahold of it is higher than the chances the adult is going to defend my kids from a BG.
This is balanced by the efficacy of a school employee being there to stop a Columbine cold.
2. I've also seen one too many CHLers that shouldn't have a CHL to begin with to feel safe with them around my kids. Odds are low but its a math thing again. I view most of the posters on this board as more up to speed as it were, but I've been at the range with too many yahoos who achieved CHL status to be comfortable in this context.

I should posit this by, as far as my kids are concerned I don't recognize anyone else having rights, when it comes to the safety of my kids. CHLs are for adults to protect themselves. I'll be honest and state I don't care if you are protected or not when it statistically increases the chances of harm to my children.

3. Again I'll not I'm very ambivalent on this one. As such I'd keep it to college campus carry where everyone involved is an adult.

frazzled wrote:

austinrealtor wrote:

frazzled wrote:I vote #3.

1. Its more relevant to the issue of CHLers as there's more there. Columbine to the contrary, public schools are safer than your average college campus.

2. I'm much more ambivalent about public schools. It definitely clouds the issue a bit to me.

Curious .....

Why is the "public school" (and I assume you mean K-12 grades since you're OK with college campus carry) issue clouded for you and why does the supposed relative safety of one venue mean it should be excluded from legal carry? A police department charity drive with 25 armed police officers handing out goodies to school children who bring in canned goods for the needy in a grocery store parking lot is even safer than your average elementary school, but I'm legally allowed to carry there.

1. I am less keen on a bunch of adults around my kids with firearms, even CHLers. Simple math. I am concerned the chance of one of the little demon seed can get a ahold of it is higher than the chances the adult is going to defend my kids from a BG.
This is balanced by the efficacy of a school employee being there to stop a Columbine cold.
2. I've also seen one too many CHLers that shouldn't have a CHL to begin with to feel safe with them around my kids. Odds are low but its a math thing again. I view most of the posters on this board as more up to speed as it were, but I've been at the range with too many yahoos who achieved CHL status to be comfortable in this context.

I should posit this by, as far as my kids are concerned I don't recognize anyone else having rights, when it comes to the safety of my kids. CHLs are for adults to protect themselves. I'll be honest and state I don't care if you are protected or not when it statistically increases the chances of harm to my children.

3. Again I'll not I'm very ambivalent on this one. As such I'd keep it to college campus carry where everyone involved is an adult.

I see your point Frazzled. I too have a child in public school. But I wander around the house and all around town in his company while carrying. No mishaps. I also agree with your take on how many yahoos are out there carrying CHLs and having IQ's lower than the caliber of their firearms. But I cannot let that emasculate my ability to protect myself and my loved ones. So I would respectfully have to disagree with campus restrictions of any sort.