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Governor Herbert signs SB 36

http://www.utah.gov/governor/news_media/article.html?article=4509

Main page: http://le.utah.gov/~2011/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0036S01.htm

Status/Votes: http://le.utah.gov/~2011/status/sbillsta/sb0036s01.htm

From page nine of the proposed bill: $1,298,500 in lost revenue be year.

If my math is correct at $63.50 each that is 20,776 licenses be year. Is this really that big of a 'problem'?

i8godzilla wrote:From page nine of the proposed bill: $1,298,500 in lost revenue be year.

If my math is correct at $63.50 each that is 20,776 licenses be year. Is this really that big of a 'problem'?

I don't know how that fiscal note ($1,298,500) breaks down in terms of initial licenses at $63.50 and renewals at $10.00, so the number could be much higher than 20,776.

The "problem" isn't the Utah license, it's the irresponsible advertising tactics of a small but apparently growing number of Utah instructors. A friend told me he saw a banner of a Utah instructor at a Houston gun show just a few weeks ago touting the Utah CFP over the Texas CHL. The instructor was never heard telling potential students that HB356 has been filed that, if passed, will render a Utah CFP useless in Texas for a Texas resident. If anyone other than F-rated Lon Burnham had filed HB356 it would have been very difficult to kill.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

i8godzilla wrote:From page nine of the proposed bill: $1,298,500 in lost revenue be year.

If my math is correct at $63.50 each that is 20,776 licenses be year. Is this really that big of a 'problem'?

I don't know how that fiscal note ($1,298,500) breaks down in terms of initial licenses at $63.50 and renewals at $10.00, so the number could be much higher than 20,776.

The "problem" isn't the Utah license, it's the irresponsible advertising tactics of a small but apparently growing number of Utah instructors. A friend told me he saw a banner of a Utah instructor at a Houston gun show just a few weeks ago touting the Utah CFP over the Texas CHL. The instructor was never heard telling potential students that HB356 has been filed that, if passed, will render a Utah CFP useless in Texas for a Texas resident. If anyone other than F-rated Lon Burnham had filed HB356 it would have been very difficult to kill.

Chas.

Exactly!!! And as the TSRA email I received today points out, the irresponsible marketing of a few greedy individuals is not only making problems for Texans, it is also making problems for Utah residents, as other states begin canceling reciprocity with Utah. Constitutional issues aside, these things don't take place in a vacuum. The blowback was utterly predicable, and shame on the irresponsible few whose greed brought this down on our heads.

As If gun owners didn't have enough troubles these days...

Looks like this bill has already passed a preliminary Senate vote unanimously 28-0, so that means it will be . And IANAL, but in reading the bill, it looks like the it will only impact those who are applying for new licenses or renewing their Utah licenses after 1-1-2012. That would mean if the Utah bill passes, but the Texas bill doesn't, then those Texas residents only carrying on a Utah license would have time to get the Texas CHL in time to retain their Utah on renewal they were so inclined. If the Texas bill passes, then the Utah license will not be valid for a Texas resident to carry on in Texas as soon as the bill goes into effect (Probably Sept. 1 this year.)

Does Utah have a reciprocity-only rule? If not, that would be a great companion bill. So if Nevada doesn't honor Utah, then Utah reciprocates, and a Nevada resident would have to get a Utah license to carry in Utah.

Been outta the loop, was unaware Texas had a bill working regarding the Utah CFP, somebody please update me on this.
Also, in reading the Utah bill, will some type of profiency test be required for renewals? Is it really gonna be worth
hanging onto our CFP's after all the new laws? I carried on a CFP for about 2 years.

safety1 wrote:So to those with the knowledge on both bills Utah and Texas bills ...let me know, will I be wasting my $10.00 to renew my CFP in '13. Thanks!

If the Utah bill becomes law, I believe renewal will jump to $15 for a non-resident. Whether it's worth $15 depends why you have it.

If you have it because your criminal record doesn't allow you to get a Texas CHL, you won't be able to renew your Utah CFP, so it's a moot point.

If you have it because it's inexpensive and you don't have a Texas CHL, you won't be able to renew your Utah CFP, so it's a moot point.

If you have it for reciprocity with states which do not honor a Texas CHL for various reasons, it may or may not be worth it. For less than $20, it's a no-brainer for me, but YMMV.

I have my Texas CHL, none of the above apply..... reciprocity does not really mean a whole lot to me so
I'm gonna have to wait and see.

I can't figure out this move, other than a bid to preserve reciprocity on their end. Utah already recognizes all out of state permits for carrying in Utah, so if you have one from your home state, there's zero reason to get a non-res to visit.

denwego wrote:. Utah already recognizes all out of state permits for carrying in Utah, so if you have one from your home state, there's zero reason to get a non-res to visit.

It would still be available for those who live in shall/no issue areas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

i8godzilla wrote:
The "problem" isn't the Utah license, it's the irresponsible advertising tactics of a small but apparently growing number of Utah instructors. A friend told me he saw a banner of a Utah instructor at a Houston gun show just a few weeks ago touting the Utah CFP over the Texas CHL.

Chas.

I saw this at the gun show and thought it was a joke of some sort. I didn't understand how I could get a CHL without any testing. It did not state or wasn't very clear that id was Utah's CFP. I know I'm new but I didn't think I could get around Texas CHL and wouldn't want to without training in the classroom and range.

Grog wrote:It would still be available for those who live in shall/no issue areas.

Where do you see that? It looks like it would be tied to recognition of Utah, but that's different than shall/may/no issue.

"that recognizes the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has reciprocity with the Utah concealed firearm permit"

I just got my Utah CHL today. Been a Texan all my life, and proud of it. Took about 45 days to get in mail. I took the class because it was less money, and time. I'm sorry if that bothers people. If it does, don't shop at Wal Mart, the money goes to Arkansas, but you'll be saving by shopping at Wal Mart in most cases. Same difference. I would rather give my money to my home state, but it's Texas that set the costs higher, not me. Do I agree with the requirements for the Utah CHL, not entirely, but I believe first in the 2nd Amendment, so I think any legal person should be able to carry anyways, so biased there. Hopefully none of the new bills will pass! Why, see my sentence about the 2nd Amendment. The only reason it will pass if it does, is money. State is suffering right now and might shut it donw, but that only helps the criminals in my opinion. It might be a small amount of people that put it off, but for each one of them that doesn't get to defend themselves due either bill, that's a waste. I got my CHL to defend myself and my family. I hope some advertising or money
doesn't prevent others from following whatever path they take. If you're for more govt. control, then I can see you being against the Utah CHL, but if you stand for people protecting themselves, well, that's me.

Grog wrote:

denwego wrote:. Utah already recognizes all out of state permits for carrying in Utah, so if you have one from your home state, there's zero reason to get a non-res to visit.

It would still be available for those who live in shall/no issue areas.

That's the rub, though. If they require you to have a home-state permit to get one of their non-res, and live in a may/no-issue state... you can't get theirs. It's a weird, seemingly contradictory requirement.